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RebornOS: A beautiful user-friendly take on Arch Linux with many desktop options

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royjacobs 3y ago
It's user-friendly if you think having a package manager that's broken out of the box is user-friendly. I get that Linux is about choice, but if you're trying to make something that's user-friendly maybe also don't provide a dozen window manager options if your user can't meaningfully decide between them. This reads as an article by someone who knows their way around Arch and has wildly different opinions about friendliness than most regular users would have. Btw, nothing against RebornOS itself, I just don't understand the tone of the article.
- johnisgood 3y ago
  > It's user-friendly if you think having a package manager that's broken out of the box is user-friendly. Are you referring to pacman here? If so, why do you believe it to be broken? Plus one could make a GUI front-end for it that is user-friendly.
  - torstenvl 3y ago
    His comment is very clear after you read the OP link. > I did have a small issue with Pamac after the installation. When I tried to run the app, it refused to sync with the update databases and wouldn't show any applications available for installation. Fortunately, I knew how to update Arch manually (with the command sudo pacman -Syu). After running that command (and rebooting), I expected Pamac to behave exactly as expected. It did not.
  - skyyler 3y ago
    TFA describes trouble with the included GUI front-end, resorting to installing a different one after manually updating pacman in the terminal. User friendly, that ordeal is not.
    - johnisgood 3y ago
      So the issue is with the GUI, and not the package manager itself?
      - skyyler 3y ago
        I do mean this in the nicest way possible: You could read the linked article and quickly find out for yourself :-)
        johnisgood 3y ago
        OK, but I was responding to: > It's user-friendly if you think having a package manager that's broken out of the box is user-friendly. The package manager here is pacman, and it implies that pacman is broken out of the box.
        royjacobs 3y ago
        If the primary way the user is interacting with the package manager in this user-friendly distro is via the GUI then of course I mean the GUI when talking about the package manager.
        johnisgood 3y ago
        Alrighties, got chu. In that case I agree.
        skyyler 3y ago
        You still haven't read the article, have you? :-(
        johnisgood 3y ago
        Shush, I have! I am just nitpicking here. :P
- kkoste 3y ago
  Ironically the tone of your comment suggests hints of elitism. My guess is that you think pacman is inferior to apt or rpm. But for some reason you don't want to go into depth with what is actuallly wrong with pacman and you just regurgitates a comment or article you've read at some point that bashes pacman.
  - skyyler 3y ago
    The article describes having trouble with the included graphical package manager. > I did have a small issue with Pamac after the installation. When I tried to run the app, it refused to sync with the update databases and wouldn't show any applications available for installation. Fortunately, I knew how to update Arch manually (with the command sudo pacman -Syu). After running that command (and rebooting), I expected Pamac to behave exactly as expected. It did not. >Turns out, Pamac is fairly broken, so the solution is to install the bauh GUI… Take a deep breath next time you think someone is criticising your preferred software.
    - 1231232131231 3y ago
      Maybe the elitism was the friends we made along the way.
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  - royjacobs 3y ago
    As skyyler pointed out, my gripe is not with pacman but the fact that the author of TFA asserts that an OS is user-friendly even though it ships with a broken package management GUI out of the box. I don't have a horse in the pacman/apt/rpm race since life is too short for those kinds of arguments and I'm sure they all have their pros and cons. Having said that, I'm not sure why having a preference for apt or rpm would be elitist though.
- shivanandvp 3y ago
  `pamac`, an unofficial third-party GUI frontend for the Arch Linux package management system is recently broken because the underlying API by Arch Linux got updated. The update I refer to came with the package `pacman` (not to be confused with pamac above).
malermeister 3y ago
How is this different from EndeavourOS?
- shoaki 3y ago
  RebornOS seems to have a system configuration utility, more DE/WM options to choose from and a different overall style. EndeavourOS prides itself as being terminal centric, while RebornOS allows the user to configure the system graphically with their 'RebornOS Fire System'. As an advanced user these are largely unimportant differences, but as a newbie there might be an appeal to choose RebornOS.
  - malermeister 3y ago
    Thank you for the response! It seems like EndavourOS still is the right middle ground for me then, but I can understand the motivations behind this project better now. That being said, I'm not sure Arch is the best distro to build a newcomer-friendly version of. The number of times I've had to manually fix stuff after a broken upgrade...
- shivanandvp 3y ago
  EndeavourOS uses dracut instead of mkinitcpio (whereas Arch Linux uses mkinitcpio). EndeavourOS brands all its desktops for online installation. In contrast, RebornOS made the choice to stick close with Arch Linux, with no branding for desktops installed online, uses mkinitcpio like Arch Linux, only deviations being fixes for problems that Arch Linux refuses to resolve - broken default themes on Cinnamon, MATE, and UKUI, the possibility of black screen on boot for Nvidia hybrid GPU, etc.
snvzz 3y ago
Or you could use Arch, and get the benefits of running the distribution that has both largest development team of all arch-based distributions, as well as the largest userbase. The install might perhaps need a little more reading, and take a few more minutes, but the returns are well worth the investment. Same argument applies for running Debian vs its million derivatives.

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It's user-friendly if you think having a package manager that's broken out of the box is user-friendly. I get that Linux is about choice, but if you're trying to make something that's user-friendly maybe also don't provide a dozen window manager options if your user can't meaningfully decide between them. This reads as an article by someone who knows their way around Arch and has wildly different opinions about friendliness than most regular users would have. Btw, nothing against RebornOS itself, I just don't understand the tone of the article.

johnisgood 3y ago
> It's user-friendly if you think having a package manager that's broken out of the box is user-friendly. Are you referring to pacman here? If so, why do you believe it to be broken? Plus one could make a GUI front-end for it that is user-friendly.
- torstenvl 3y ago
  His comment is very clear after you read the OP link. > I did have a small issue with Pamac after the installation. When I tried to run the app, it refused to sync with the update databases and wouldn't show any applications available for installation. Fortunately, I knew how to update Arch manually (with the command sudo pacman -Syu). After running that command (and rebooting), I expected Pamac to behave exactly as expected. It did not.
- skyyler 3y ago
  TFA describes trouble with the included GUI front-end, resorting to installing a different one after manually updating pacman in the terminal. User friendly, that ordeal is not.
  - johnisgood 3y ago
    So the issue is with the GUI, and not the package manager itself?
    - skyyler 3y ago
      I do mean this in the nicest way possible: You could read the linked article and quickly find out for yourself :-)
      - johnisgood 3y ago
        OK, but I was responding to: > It's user-friendly if you think having a package manager that's broken out of the box is user-friendly. The package manager here is pacman, and it implies that pacman is broken out of the box.
        royjacobs 3y ago
        If the primary way the user is interacting with the package manager in this user-friendly distro is via the GUI then of course I mean the GUI when talking about the package manager.
        johnisgood 3y ago
        Alrighties, got chu. In that case I agree.
        skyyler 3y ago
        You still haven't read the article, have you? :-(
        johnisgood 3y ago
        Shush, I have! I am just nitpicking here. :P
kkoste 3y ago
Ironically the tone of your comment suggests hints of elitism. My guess is that you think pacman is inferior to apt or rpm. But for some reason you don't want to go into depth with what is actuallly wrong with pacman and you just regurgitates a comment or article you've read at some point that bashes pacman.
- skyyler 3y ago
  The article describes having trouble with the included graphical package manager. > I did have a small issue with Pamac after the installation. When I tried to run the app, it refused to sync with the update databases and wouldn't show any applications available for installation. Fortunately, I knew how to update Arch manually (with the command sudo pacman -Syu). After running that command (and rebooting), I expected Pamac to behave exactly as expected. It did not. >Turns out, Pamac is fairly broken, so the solution is to install the bauh GUI… Take a deep breath next time you think someone is criticising your preferred software.
  - 1231232131231 3y ago
    Maybe the elitism was the friends we made along the way.
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- royjacobs 3y ago
  As skyyler pointed out, my gripe is not with pacman but the fact that the author of TFA asserts that an OS is user-friendly even though it ships with a broken package management GUI out of the box. I don't have a horse in the pacman/apt/rpm race since life is too short for those kinds of arguments and I'm sure they all have their pros and cons. Having said that, I'm not sure why having a preference for apt or rpm would be elitist though.
shivanandvp 3y ago
`pamac`, an unofficial third-party GUI frontend for the Arch Linux package management system is recently broken because the underlying API by Arch Linux got updated. The update I refer to came with the package `pacman` (not to be confused with pamac above).

malermeister 3y ago

How is this different from EndeavourOS?

shoaki 3y ago
RebornOS seems to have a system configuration utility, more DE/WM options to choose from and a different overall style. EndeavourOS prides itself as being terminal centric, while RebornOS allows the user to configure the system graphically with their 'RebornOS Fire System'. As an advanced user these are largely unimportant differences, but as a newbie there might be an appeal to choose RebornOS.
- malermeister 3y ago
  Thank you for the response! It seems like EndavourOS still is the right middle ground for me then, but I can understand the motivations behind this project better now. That being said, I'm not sure Arch is the best distro to build a newcomer-friendly version of. The number of times I've had to manually fix stuff after a broken upgrade...
shivanandvp 3y ago
EndeavourOS uses dracut instead of mkinitcpio (whereas Arch Linux uses mkinitcpio). EndeavourOS brands all its desktops for online installation. In contrast, RebornOS made the choice to stick close with Arch Linux, with no branding for desktops installed online, uses mkinitcpio like Arch Linux, only deviations being fixes for problems that Arch Linux refuses to resolve - broken default themes on Cinnamon, MATE, and UKUI, the possibility of black screen on boot for Nvidia hybrid GPU, etc.

snvzz 3y ago

Or you could use Arch, and get the benefits of running the distribution that has both largest development team of all arch-based distributions, as well as the largest userbase. The install might perhaps need a little more reading, and take a few more minutes, but the returns are well worth the investment. Same argument applies for running Debian vs its million derivatives.