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I don't tend to debate politics (either online or offline), because for the most part, I find that people who differ from me in their opinions generally do so b
by throwaway22032 3y ago
I don't tend to debate politics (either online or offline), because for the most part, I find that people who differ from me in their opinions generally do so because they start with a different set of axioms.
Say, for example, one of us thinks that raising children is important / a duty, one of us thinks it's not / a bad idea, and from that come all sorts of policy decisions.
We can, if we want, do thought experiment style discussions around it all, we can learn more from each other, but ultimately no-one is going to convince the other.
- 01HNNWZ0MV43FF 3y agoA yes-no debate would help you discover those cruxes fast, but I think the setting is rarely right for one
- brigandish 3y agoI've found a 100% correlation between the (believed) outcomes of those political opinions and the holder of those opinions benefiting from that outcome (again believed). Those axioms are almost certainly in the mix, people who think raising children is important will probably want children, and then hold opinions that benefit them as parents. I'm no different, so now I spend my time wondering how to shoehorn, contort and caress my beliefs in such a way as to benefit others too. Better that than give up my dearly held beliefs.
- tunesmith 3y ago"Ethical Pluralism." It can still be worth to take the arguments through the paces as an exercise of checking reasoning and respecting someone else's beliefs, but yeah, people can definitely reason correctly from different values and wind up with wildly different normative conclusions.