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>The second law is just a straightforward neutering of citizen review boards. It says reestablished. How are they neutering something that doesn't exist?

HeatrayEnjoyer 3y ago
Where does it say it is creating an entity that doesn't already exist?
- ImJamal 3y ago
  The word reestablished means that it used to be established but is no longer established. It is now coming back.
  - wholinator2 3y ago
    Not completely. It also means to disband something that currently exists, then recreate it, effectively reestablishing the board. You are paying attention to only one possible reading, which is the one not consistent with the truth. Citizen review boards exist in Florida. These currently functioning boards will have their power stripped immediately and members will be replaced with captive appointees. This is not creating citizen review boards, this is destroying them
    - refurb 3y ago
      Using the word “reestablish” in that way would be the confusing and odd considering the multiple other word choices that would be far more precise.
      - bee_rider 3y ago
        Note that this is just a phrase that occurs in the news article, it doesn’t seem to be present in the actual law as far as I can tell.
  - bena 3y ago
    Congress gets "reestablished" every two years. The English government gets "reestablished" every year when the Prime Minister asks to form a government in the Monarch's name. So it could just mean when the current term is up and the new appointees are sworn in.
  - bee_rider 3y ago
    Florida’s website is a bit confusing to navigate, but I think I found the actual text of the law. https://myfloridahouse.gov/Sections/Bills/billsdetail.aspx?BillId=79178&SessionId=103 https://myfloridahouse.gov/Sections/Bills/billsdetail.aspx?B... I think it is under bill text/enrolled. I don’t find the word re-established in there. So, I think that’s just the wording that the newspaper picked. Regardless of any difference between establish or re-establish, it doesn’t really make sense to put too much weight on subtle implications of the newspaper’s wording.
llamaimperative 3y ago
The “re-“ part of “re-established” suggests that this is a modification of an existing thing, no?
- ImJamal 3y ago
  It sounds like it used to exist. No longer exists and is now coming back. If it was currently in existence it would say modified.
  - tadfisher 3y ago
    Re-established in this case means, dissolve the existing boards and reconstitute them with the appointees. Review boards already exist in Florida.
  - dragonwriter 3y ago
    No, it means that the boards have their power stripped until their membership is replaced by the new, captive appointees that can be relied on to not be independent of the agency they are notionally overseeing, at which point their powers are restored. That's what “required to be re-established” means.
  - llamaimperative 3y ago
    Well, regardless of what it sounds like, they do exist. The wannabe autocrat is weakening them.
  - TheCleric 3y ago
    No. My city has an independent citizen review board. This law means "yours will be dissolved and we will make anew one appointed by cops."

HeatrayEnjoyer 3y ago

Where does it say it is creating an entity that doesn't already exist?

ImJamal 3y ago
The word reestablished means that it used to be established but is no longer established. It is now coming back.
- wholinator2 3y ago
  Not completely. It also means to disband something that currently exists, then recreate it, effectively reestablishing the board. You are paying attention to only one possible reading, which is the one not consistent with the truth. Citizen review boards exist in Florida. These currently functioning boards will have their power stripped immediately and members will be replaced with captive appointees. This is not creating citizen review boards, this is destroying them
  - refurb 3y ago
    Using the word “reestablish” in that way would be the confusing and odd considering the multiple other word choices that would be far more precise.
    - bee_rider 3y ago
      Note that this is just a phrase that occurs in the news article, it doesn’t seem to be present in the actual law as far as I can tell.
- bena 3y ago
  Congress gets "reestablished" every two years. The English government gets "reestablished" every year when the Prime Minister asks to form a government in the Monarch's name. So it could just mean when the current term is up and the new appointees are sworn in.
- bee_rider 3y ago
  Florida’s website is a bit confusing to navigate, but I think I found the actual text of the law. https://myfloridahouse.gov/Sections/Bills/billsdetail.aspx?BillId=79178&SessionId=103 https://myfloridahouse.gov/Sections/Bills/billsdetail.aspx?B... I think it is under bill text/enrolled. I don’t find the word re-established in there. So, I think that’s just the wording that the newspaper picked. Regardless of any difference between establish or re-establish, it doesn’t really make sense to put too much weight on subtle implications of the newspaper’s wording.

llamaimperative 3y ago

The “re-“ part of “re-established” suggests that this is a modification of an existing thing, no?

ImJamal 3y ago
It sounds like it used to exist. No longer exists and is now coming back. If it was currently in existence it would say modified.
- tadfisher 3y ago
  Re-established in this case means, dissolve the existing boards and reconstitute them with the appointees. Review boards already exist in Florida.
- dragonwriter 3y ago
  No, it means that the boards have their power stripped until their membership is replaced by the new, captive appointees that can be relied on to not be independent of the agency they are notionally overseeing, at which point their powers are restored. That's what “required to be re-established” means.
- llamaimperative 3y ago
  Well, regardless of what it sounds like, they do exist. The wannabe autocrat is weakening them.
- TheCleric 3y ago
  No. My city has an independent citizen review board. This law means "yours will be dissolved and we will make anew one appointed by cops."