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What's the point of a citizen review board if the sheriff or chief appoints everyone on it? Talk about fox guarding the henhous!
by morkalork 3y ago
What's the point of a citizen review board if the sheriff or chief appoints everyone on it? Talk about fox guarding the henhous!
- roughly 3y ago> What's the point of a citizen review board if the sheriff or chief appoints everyone on it? I don’t know, but I know what the point of the law was.
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- Analemma_ 3y agoThis sounds like a case of "the citizen review board was created by fed-up voters at the municipal level, and then the state stepped into neuter it". Because DeSantis etc. are about local control except when the locals make a decision they don't like.
- tadfisher 3y agoSee also: the Texas "water breaks ban", which actually superceded all county and municipal employee protections in a wide array of classes that exceeded the state minimums.
- cryptonector 3y agoThere was no water break ban as such. And no one in Texas will forbid employees from drinking water in the scorching heat unless it is to make a political point.
- tadfisher 3y agoYes, I explained what the law actually was in my comment. The nickname was earned by removing municipal protections for hydration breaks along with every other protection not specified at the state level.
- stkdump 3y agoI find it interesting how it probably evolved from "people on the citizen review board don't know what it means to police" to a moderate position of "why not add a retired policeman, so he can at least explain it to them?" to "fuck it, let's dismantle the whole thing"
- Spivak 3y ago> people on the citizen review board don't know what it means to police If regular people are hearing what an officer is doing and need to be explained by a former cop, "yeah, <horrific behavior> is just part of the job" then what is even the point of having a citizen review? Isn't that the very class of behavior the board exists to stop?
- stkdump 3y agoI don't know, I don't want want to be too political here. But there were people saying out loud that it would be better to have no police at all a few years back. Not sure how common this position is nowadays. But that shows that it is easily possible for people to come to unrealistic conclusions if they don't have a real dialog.
- selimthegrim 3y agoIn Louisiana, the literal parish (county) level government used to be called "police jury" (and still is in some more rural parishes)
- lsaferite 3y agoThe article I read pointed out that ther used to be a report on the FDLE website, done by a LEO, that came to the conclusion that the Citizen Review boards had generally good feedback by the LEOs they were reviewing and from the communities. Of course, that report has apparently been scrubbed from the FDLE site now.
- sidewndr46 3y agoTo make sure everything passes the citizen's review board.
- BurningFrog 3y agoThe text isn't clear on if it's all or some members. I'm guessing the latter. Having a retired cop in the room who understands police work sounds pretty sensible to me.
- Broken_Hippo 3y agoSounds like the police trying to influence the boards to me. Police already have power to ruin lives or at least make them seriously inconvenient. A retired cop generally still has friends and/or family that are active cops, and therefore has some influence. Which means folks aren't nearly as free to speak or do their jobs freely. This is true even if you personally don't feel this way around any sort of law enforcement - you know others do.
- mcBesse 3y agoIs the tradeoff with the potential positive influence worth it? Are there ways to mitigate the potential negatives?
- SauciestGNU 3y agoWhat's the potential positive influence here? Genuinely trying to find one. Is it that a cop can tell the board "oh that's no big deal we assault everyone?" Policing isn't hard to understand, if it were there might be some minimum training standards somewhere.
- BurningFrog 3y agoThe positive influence is just that a cop understands police work. It seems obvious to me that that's important knowledge for a team tasked with regulating police work. There are plenty of standards. and all cops go through a ~6 month Police Academy before they get the badge. And if you think you know as much about police work as someone who has done it for decades, I don't think we can get much further in this discussion.
- Phiwise_ 3y ago>What's the point of a citizen review board if the sheriff... appoints everyone on it? Would you rather someone unelected by the citizens decide who sits on the citizen review board?
- csdreamer7 3y ago> Would you rather someone unelected by the citizens decide who sits on the citizen review board? Not sure what the point of this argument is. The mayor could appoint someone. The public can directly elect someone. Why is Florida making the boards charged with oversight of the police can only be appointed by the sheriff? It does not sound like a 'citizen review board' but it does sounds very prone to corruption.
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- simiones 3y agoWould you think it's a good idea if there were a Presidential Review Board that is named by the President? After all he/she is elected by the people! The whole point of a review board is to be independent of the authority it is supposed to review. So, a police review board mustn't be selected by a member of the police forces, even an elected one.
- Phiwise_ 3y ago[flagged]
- _heimdall 3y agoWhile what you're describing is a bad model when you want independent review, its exactly how many (all?) of our federal oversight agencies work. The FAA, USDA, NTSB, etc all regulate industry by quite often asking the industry what regulations are needed and how to enforce them. Its common for industry to even be expected to enforce regulations on themselves, leaving us with situations like Boeing.
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