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> the fact that cheap drones are effective anti-tank weapons, as ISIS first demonstrated ten years ago its not a fact to me, I don't know who is that "NATO off

> the fact that cheap drones are effective anti-tank weapons, as ISIS first demonstrated ten years ago its not a fact to me, I don't know who is that "NATO official" and how reliable his data. From another hand I rely on common sense that main battle tanks are hardened against direct middle caliber fire, and one need good amount of explosive to produce such impact. Javelin's warhead is 9kg, so your drone need to be able to carry it on solid distance, and this is not the level of "cheap racing drones".

marssaxman 3y ago
If you are determined to remain skeptical of something which is being done every day, with a great deal of news coverage and abundant video documentation freely available to anyone who spends five minutes looking for it, there is nothing I can say that will help you. Have a nice day!
- riku_iki 3y ago
  I challenge your statements about happening every day and great deal of video documentation.
  - brokenmachine 3y ago
    https://xkcd.com/1053/ https://xkcd.com/1053/ https://old.reddit.com/r/combatfootage https://old.reddit.com/r/combatfootage is a good place to start. Every day. You could also search reddit for the keywords "turret toss". There's also zillions of youtube compilations that should be trivially findable. eg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=970c-takyAs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=970c-takyAs
    - riku_iki 3y ago
      > There's also zillions of youtube compilations that should be trivially findable. eg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=970c-takyAs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=970c-takyAs that video is 1h long, on which timestamp "hobbyist-level FPV racing drone" disables tank?
      - brokenmachine 3y ago
        I haven't even watched it, I was just so certain that there would be. Just from scrubbing through and looking for the usual Betaflight OSD overlay, look at 26:30.
        riku_iki 3y ago
        that target doesn't look like a tank. Also not clear if it was "hobbyist-level FPV racing drone".
        brokenmachine 3y ago
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        brokenmachine 3y ago
        Here's another video from googling "turret toss fpv" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbOnph18GL8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbOnph18GL8 If you think that looks like a high-level military drone, you're really reaching. You can see the coathanger wires at the front that set it off. They always look like something manufactured in a basement. Which they are.
        riku_iki 3y ago
        > Here's another video from googling "turret toss fpv" there is one case of "disabled" tank there at the end, others cases got footage cut and its not clear what happened after explosion, but looks like drone hit into open hatch in that case as very visible on video. This is another weakness in this approach: RPG-7 may not cut it against modern tank, you need some more modern, powerful and probably heavy warhead to penetrate reactive armor + regular armor. > They always look like something manufactured in a basement. Which they are. They were building own large drones from scratch from the beginning of the war: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R18_(drone) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R18_(drone) so I think discussion should be if "A largish 7" drone"(from your other comment) is widely available on civil market, which can carry 1kg payload with solid range(5-10 miles?). If such drones are available (I am not expert in this), then I assume civilians can build weaponized platform base on them. But looks like Ukrainians were forced to build their own thing.

marssaxman 3y ago

If you are determined to remain skeptical of something which is being done every day, with a great deal of news coverage and abundant video documentation freely available to anyone who spends five minutes looking for it, there is nothing I can say that will help you. Have a nice day!

riku_iki 3y ago
I challenge your statements about happening every day and great deal of video documentation.
- brokenmachine 3y ago
  https://xkcd.com/1053/ https://xkcd.com/1053/ https://old.reddit.com/r/combatfootage https://old.reddit.com/r/combatfootage is a good place to start. Every day. You could also search reddit for the keywords "turret toss". There's also zillions of youtube compilations that should be trivially findable. eg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=970c-takyAs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=970c-takyAs
  - riku_iki 3y ago
    > There's also zillions of youtube compilations that should be trivially findable. eg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=970c-takyAs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=970c-takyAs that video is 1h long, on which timestamp "hobbyist-level FPV racing drone" disables tank?
    - brokenmachine 3y ago
      I haven't even watched it, I was just so certain that there would be. Just from scrubbing through and looking for the usual Betaflight OSD overlay, look at 26:30.
      - riku_iki 3y ago
        that target doesn't look like a tank. Also not clear if it was "hobbyist-level FPV racing drone".
        brokenmachine 3y ago
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        brokenmachine 3y ago
        Here's another video from googling "turret toss fpv" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbOnph18GL8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbOnph18GL8 If you think that looks like a high-level military drone, you're really reaching. You can see the coathanger wires at the front that set it off. They always look like something manufactured in a basement. Which they are.
        riku_iki 3y ago
        > Here's another video from googling "turret toss fpv" there is one case of "disabled" tank there at the end, others cases got footage cut and its not clear what happened after explosion, but looks like drone hit into open hatch in that case as very visible on video. This is another weakness in this approach: RPG-7 may not cut it against modern tank, you need some more modern, powerful and probably heavy warhead to penetrate reactive armor + regular armor. > They always look like something manufactured in a basement. Which they are. They were building own large drones from scratch from the beginning of the war: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R18_(drone) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R18_(drone) so I think discussion should be if "A largish 7" drone"(from your other comment) is widely available on civil market, which can carry 1kg payload with solid range(5-10 miles?). If such drones are available (I am not expert in this), then I assume civilians can build weaponized platform base on them. But looks like Ukrainians were forced to build their own thing.