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Debate isn't the best lever to reach the people I want to reach
- 48864w6ui 3y agoSocial media threads also seem like a much poorer lever than a blog post or journal article.
- netsharc 3y agoThere are lots of online articles referring to studies that arguing usually just entrenches people's previously formed opinions. Here's an opinion: Mastodon threads are just as stupid as Twitter threads.
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- teg4n_ 3y agoI people constantly complaining about modern web frameworks but these people never offer concrete alternatives. It’s always “it depends” or whatever to avoid even an example of what they are arguing _for_ and why it’s better.
- stavros 3y agoHTMX.
- throwaway22032 3y agoI don't tend to debate politics (either online or offline), because for the most part, I find that people who differ from me in their opinions generally do so because they start with a different set of axioms. Say, for example, one of us thinks that raising children is important / a duty, one of us thinks it's not / a bad idea, and from that come all sorts of policy decisions. We can, if we want, do thought experiment style discussions around it all, we can learn more from each other, but ultimately no-one is going to convince the other.
- 01HNNWZ0MV43FF 3y agoA yes-no debate would help you discover those cruxes fast, but I think the setting is rarely right for one
- brigandish 3y agoI've found a 100% correlation between the (believed) outcomes of those political opinions and the holder of those opinions benefiting from that outcome (again believed). Those axioms are almost certainly in the mix, people who think raising children is important will probably want children, and then hold opinions that benefit them as parents. I'm no different, so now I spend my time wondering how to shoehorn, contort and caress my beliefs in such a way as to benefit others too. Better that than give up my dearly held beliefs.
- tunesmith 3y ago"Ethical Pluralism." It can still be worth to take the arguments through the paces as an exercise of checking reasoning and respecting someone else's beliefs, but yeah, people can definitely reason correctly from different values and wind up with wildly different normative conclusions.
- CapitalistCartr 3y agoWant to really get someone to consider your viewpoint? Carefully consider your ideas first, then tell them once. Be silent while they say whatever they want in response. Then drop the subject.
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- noduerme 3y agoWhat this person doesn't understand is that debate isn't about changing your opponent's mind. A debate is won by convincing the audience.
- tunesmith 3y agoA while ago I did a bunch of thinking about how to convince people and came down to that it's usually one of three techniques: coercion, rhetorical persuasion, or modeling good behavior. (Broken down as violence, active non-violence, and passive non-violence.) I used to believe that persuasion was generally more effective at convincing others than modeling, but these days I'm not so sure.
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- dimal 3y agoThis post makes me want to get on Mastodon just so I can talk to this guy.