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I'm not from the USA, not conservative and have not made a study of whether Paxton is conservative or not nor do I know whether the 'tea party movement' can be

I'm not from the USA, not conservative and have not made a study of whether Paxton is conservative or not nor do I know whether the 'tea party movement' can be called 'conservative', from what I gather they are/were more of a populist movement? I also do not equate opposition of 'LGBT rights' with conservatism since in my eyes conservatism does not have much if anything to say about such things. Here's what Britannica says about conservatism [1]: conservatism, political doctrine that emphasizes the value of traditional institutions and practices. Conservatism is a preference for the historically inherited rather than the abstract and ideal. This preference has traditionally rested on an organic conception of society—that is, on the belief that society is not merely a loose collection of individuals but a living organism comprising closely connected, interdependent members. Conservatives thus favour institutions and practices that have evolved gradually and are manifestations of continuity and stability. Government’s responsibility is to be the servant, not the master, of existing ways of life, and politicians must therefore resist the temptation to transform society and politics. In a society where 'LGBT rights' have evolved gradually - e.g. the Netherlands (where I'm from, originally) - there is no friction between supporting such and being 'conservative'. I guess the same is true for parts of the USA - California comes to mind - but less so for others - Texas being an example of such. [1] https://www.britannica.com/topic/conservatism https://www.britannica.com/topic/conservatism

giraffe_lady 3y ago
If this is what you think conservative means to an american politician (or journalist) you are frankly not informed enough about the context to have a useful opinion on this subject.
- DonHopkins 3y ago
  He's informed enough about the American conservative rhetorical techniques to claim he's being canceled and cast himself as the victim. Isn't it ironic? https://web.archive.org/web/20240415235814/https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=hagbard_c https://web.archive.org/web/20240415235814/https://news.ycom...
  - giraffe_lady 3y ago
    lmao good shit
  - hagbard_c 3y ago
    I practice what I preach, i.e. I document what happens. I you want to label this as 'casting myself as a victim' that's on you.
    - DonHopkins 3y ago
      Don't blame me for what YOU wrote in YOUR OWN profile. Now are you trying to cast yourself as the victim of me forcing you to write what you did? I didn't hold a gun to your head, or break into to your account. Maybe you should stop practicing and preaching bullshit.
rsynnott 3y ago
Paxton, er, very much doesn’t meet the Encyclopaedia Britannica’s definition of conservatism. (For that matter, nor does the modern British Conservative Party). “Conservative”, in US politics, is a term of art, and is often used to describe quite radical right-wing politicians, like Paxton.
DonHopkins 3y ago
You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about, so nothing useful to contribute, Alanis Morissette is not a philosopher, she finally recognized that rain on your wedding day is not ironic, you were not "canceled", there is nothing ironic about your situation, and you are not the victim, as much as you try to play it in the "about" section of your hn user page: https://web.archive.org/web/20240415235814/https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=hagbard_c https://web.archive.org/web/20240415235814/https://news.ycom... Alanis Morissette Recognizes It's Not Ironic https://www.theatlantic.com/culture/archive/2016/05/alanis-morissette-recognizes-its-not-ironic/624060/ https://www.theatlantic.com/culture/archive/2016/05/alanis-m... >Pour one out for Alanis Morissette. >For more than 20 years now, since the release of her hit “Ironic,” she’s had to hear every pedant, every SNOOT, and every 10th-grade English teacher crow that none of the situations in her song are actually ironic. The eternal question of rain-on-your-wedding-day has spawned two decades of thinkpieces (here’s the Times in 2008, Salon in 2014). “Ironic” even has a section on its Wikipedia page entitled “Linguistic usage disputes.” It’s hard to even talk about the literary device now without hearing someone lament the song. Irony, apparently, was described by Socrates, animated by Shakespeare and O. Henry, and killed by a 1995 radio hit. RIP. >Thankfully now Morissette may be free. Last night November*, she went on James Corden’s Late Late Show to reveal a new version of “Ironic” updated for modern situations. (“It’s a traffic jam… when you tried to use Waze.”) And, most importantly, it included this admission: It’s singing “Ironic” When there are no ironies I liked Alanis Morissette better on You Can't Do That on Television, when even then (unlike you) she had the integrity to admit she didn't know: https://youtu.be/B1Q55CLrTkg?t=184 https://youtu.be/B1Q55CLrTkg?t=184
- hagbard_c 3y ago
  You seem to be missing some insight into the reason why I call A. Morissette a 'well-known philosopher' so I'll give you a hint: maybe it is just for the reasons you so eloquently quoted from that Atlantic article?
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giraffe_lady 3y ago

If this is what you think conservative means to an american politician (or journalist) you are frankly not informed enough about the context to have a useful opinion on this subject.

DonHopkins 3y ago
He's informed enough about the American conservative rhetorical techniques to claim he's being canceled and cast himself as the victim. Isn't it ironic? https://web.archive.org/web/20240415235814/https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=hagbard_c https://web.archive.org/web/20240415235814/https://news.ycom...
- giraffe_lady 3y ago
  lmao good shit
- hagbard_c 3y ago
  I practice what I preach, i.e. I document what happens. I you want to label this as 'casting myself as a victim' that's on you.
  - DonHopkins 3y ago
    Don't blame me for what YOU wrote in YOUR OWN profile. Now are you trying to cast yourself as the victim of me forcing you to write what you did? I didn't hold a gun to your head, or break into to your account. Maybe you should stop practicing and preaching bullshit.

rsynnott 3y ago

Paxton, er, very much doesn’t meet the Encyclopaedia Britannica’s definition of conservatism. (For that matter, nor does the modern British Conservative Party). “Conservative”, in US politics, is a term of art, and is often used to describe quite radical right-wing politicians, like Paxton.

DonHopkins 3y ago

You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about, so nothing useful to contribute, Alanis Morissette is not a philosopher, she finally recognized that rain on your wedding day is not ironic, you were not "canceled", there is nothing ironic about your situation, and you are not the victim, as much as you try to play it in the "about" section of your hn user page: https://web.archive.org/web/20240415235814/https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=hagbard_c https://web.archive.org/web/20240415235814/https://news.ycom... Alanis Morissette Recognizes It's Not Ironic https://www.theatlantic.com/culture/archive/2016/05/alanis-morissette-recognizes-its-not-ironic/624060/ https://www.theatlantic.com/culture/archive/2016/05/alanis-m... >Pour one out for Alanis Morissette. >For more than 20 years now, since the release of her hit “Ironic,” she’s had to hear every pedant, every SNOOT, and every 10th-grade English teacher crow that none of the situations in her song are actually ironic. The eternal question of rain-on-your-wedding-day has spawned two decades of thinkpieces (here’s the Times in 2008, Salon in 2014). “Ironic” even has a section on its Wikipedia page entitled “Linguistic usage disputes.” It’s hard to even talk about the literary device now without hearing someone lament the song. Irony, apparently, was described by Socrates, animated by Shakespeare and O. Henry, and killed by a 1995 radio hit. RIP. >Thankfully now Morissette may be free. Last night November*, she went on James Corden’s Late Late Show to reveal a new version of “Ironic” updated for modern situations. (“It’s a traffic jam… when you tried to use Waze.”) And, most importantly, it included this admission: It’s singing “Ironic” When there are no ironies I liked Alanis Morissette better on You Can't Do That on Television, when even then (unlike you) she had the integrity to admit she didn't know: https://youtu.be/B1Q55CLrTkg?t=184 https://youtu.be/B1Q55CLrTkg?t=184

hagbard_c 3y ago
You seem to be missing some insight into the reason why I call A. Morissette a 'well-known philosopher' so I'll give you a hint: maybe it is just for the reasons you so eloquently quoted from that Atlantic article?

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