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Papers Please.

by throw7 2y ago

Papers Please.

toomuchtodo 2y ago
This is a tired argument. If you want better governance, it's a political problem, not a tech problem. "Papers Please" exists today due to a lack of law enforcement oversight and current statute [1]. A properly functioning national ID system and infrastructure doesn't change that. The databases already exist [2] [3] [4] [5]; because you do not have the physical card does not mean you don't live this reality today. On the contrary, you already don't have the privacy you think you have, without any of the quality of life improvements a national ID card would provide. > CBP has successfully implemented facial biometrics into the entry processes at all international airports, known as Simplified Arrival, and into the exit processes at 49 airport locations. CBP also expanded facial biometrics at 39 seaports and all pedestrian lanes at both Southwest Border and the Northern Border ports of entry. > To date, CBP has processed more than 490 million travelers using biometric facial comparison technology and prevented more than 1,900 impostors from entry to the U.S. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_and_identify_statutes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_and_identify_statutes [2] https://www.dhs.gov/biometrics https://www.dhs.gov/biometrics [3] https://www.tsa.gov/biometrics-technology/evaluating-facial-identification-technology https://www.tsa.gov/biometrics-technology/evaluating-facial-... [4] https://www.cbp.gov/travel/biometrics/airports https://www.cbp.gov/travel/biometrics/airports [5] https://www.dhs.gov/real-id/real-id-faqs https://www.dhs.gov/real-id/real-id-faqs
BadHumans 2y ago
This is why the US will never have functioning anything. People just immediately leap to why it's going to lead to dystopia.
- jfengel 2y ago
  Unfortunately that was literally true from the beginning. Much of the US Constitution is devoted to separation of powers. But the powers are so separated that it's practically impossible to do anything. Our checks and balances are badly overbalanced. The government persists because the executive branch takes a lot on itself. The Supreme Court is currently deciding that this may be too much overreach, and the government will grind completely to a halt.
vundercind 2y ago
We already have that and have for a long time, it’s just more way time-wasting and far less secure than it could be.
redserk 2y ago
This is a silly retort. We already have multiple identity systems in the US: - Social Security - Passports - NAPHSIS - Most states' ID systems using Real ID w/ SPEXS - The DoD's ID card system

Papers Please.

by throw7 2y ago

Papers Please.

This is a tired argument. If you want better governance, it's a political problem, not a tech problem. "Papers Please" exists today due to a lack of law enforcement oversight and current statute [1]. A properly functioning national ID system and infrastructure doesn't change that. The databases already exist [2] [3] [4] [5]; because you do not have the physical card does not mean you don't live this reality today. On the contrary, you already don't have the privacy you think you have, without any of the quality of life improvements a national ID card would provide. > CBP has successfully implemented facial biometrics into the entry processes at all international airports, known as Simplified Arrival, and into the exit processes at 49 airport locations. CBP also expanded facial biometrics at 39 seaports and all pedestrian lanes at both Southwest Border and the Northern Border ports of entry. > To date, CBP has processed more than 490 million travelers using biometric facial comparison technology and prevented more than 1,900 impostors from entry to the U.S. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_and_identify_statutes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_and_identify_statutes [2] https://www.dhs.gov/biometrics https://www.dhs.gov/biometrics [3] https://www.tsa.gov/biometrics-technology/evaluating-facial-identification-technology https://www.tsa.gov/biometrics-technology/evaluating-facial-... [4] https://www.cbp.gov/travel/biometrics/airports https://www.cbp.gov/travel/biometrics/airports [5] https://www.dhs.gov/real-id/real-id-faqs https://www.dhs.gov/real-id/real-id-faqs

BadHumans 2y ago

This is why the US will never have functioning anything. People just immediately leap to why it's going to lead to dystopia.

jfengel 2y ago
Unfortunately that was literally true from the beginning. Much of the US Constitution is devoted to separation of powers. But the powers are so separated that it's practically impossible to do anything. Our checks and balances are badly overbalanced. The government persists because the executive branch takes a lot on itself. The Supreme Court is currently deciding that this may be too much overreach, and the government will grind completely to a halt.

vundercind 2y ago

We already have that and have for a long time, it’s just more way time-wasting and far less secure than it could be.

redserk 2y ago

This is a silly retort. We already have multiple identity systems in the US: - Social Security - Passports - NAPHSIS - Most states' ID systems using Real ID w/ SPEXS - The DoD's ID card system