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I feel like Swift enjoys much more actual good will and positive attention than C#. HN and other communities seem to be hell-bent on repeating the statements th

I feel like Swift enjoys much more actual good will and positive attention than C#. HN and other communities seem to be hell-bent on repeating the statements that weren't true even back in 2016 when it had its first FOSS version. For example, this submission currently has 136 upvotes and 60 generally positive comments. The last .NET submission that reached frontpage had 158 upvotes and 255 comments, many of which would repeat personal experiences from 2007, complaining about products and languages that are not related to .NET but to something adjacent at best, or criticizing imagined spec and implementation issues that do not correspond to how the runtime and language actually work. If anything, it seems like Swift can succeed if Apple puts more effort into it and community sentiment will be headwinds, not the other way around as is the case with .NET.

pjmlp 3y ago
Microsoft's management keeps undercutting any good will that .NET manages to win, that is why. Recent examples MSTest being proprietary for Native AOT testing, and no plans to help improve xUnit into that direction. New VS Solution format, that might only be supported on the C# Dev Kit, also under VS license. Killing VS4Mac, which although it has its own set of issues, VSCode still doesn't provide the same level of tooling for Mac and iDevices development as VS4Mac did, forcing anyone that cares to go out and buy Rider licenses instead. The dotnet watch removal drama to only have hot-reload available on VS, thankfully back pedalled only thanks the engagement of high level .NET developers, with help of the community backslash on social media.
- neonsunset 3y ago
  I was not looking for a response from your account, thanks. (context: pjmlp likes to post about .NET, Java and other adjacent platforms with authoritative and confident tone not backed up by source material or simply reposting second hand or surface impressions of events, rather than just reading through publicly available information in full which could help some of the comments with being less detached from reality)
  - pjmlp 3y ago
    I was not looking for a response from your account, thanks. (context: neonsunset professional life is highly dependent on where .NET goes, biased by involvement on .NET team's work, and how .NET is perceived by the world outside Redmond).

pjmlp 3y ago

Microsoft's management keeps undercutting any good will that .NET manages to win, that is why. Recent examples MSTest being proprietary for Native AOT testing, and no plans to help improve xUnit into that direction. New VS Solution format, that might only be supported on the C# Dev Kit, also under VS license. Killing VS4Mac, which although it has its own set of issues, VSCode still doesn't provide the same level of tooling for Mac and iDevices development as VS4Mac did, forcing anyone that cares to go out and buy Rider licenses instead. The dotnet watch removal drama to only have hot-reload available on VS, thankfully back pedalled only thanks the engagement of high level .NET developers, with help of the community backslash on social media.

neonsunset 3y ago
I was not looking for a response from your account, thanks. (context: pjmlp likes to post about .NET, Java and other adjacent platforms with authoritative and confident tone not backed up by source material or simply reposting second hand or surface impressions of events, rather than just reading through publicly available information in full which could help some of the comments with being less detached from reality)
- pjmlp 3y ago
  I was not looking for a response from your account, thanks. (context: neonsunset professional life is highly dependent on where .NET goes, biased by involvement on .NET team's work, and how .NET is perceived by the world outside Redmond).