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Is it really negativity to call this ugly? https://ibb.co/pfJSdxn https://ibb.co/pfJSdxn

keepamovin 3y ago
Yeah, I think it is. Whether it's ugly or not is subjective, that's surely a negative judgement. But the point is the overall comment in the bad comments ones is vastly negative. It's just such a negative ugly attitude. You don't want to be around that: it's like being around an abusive person, a bully, someone who puts you down, mocks you, belittles you, diminishes you. Don't you see that kind of thing as something wrong, and to be avoided? That's what I'm against here. When I see that attitude in comments: I just think it's gratuitous negativity, there's no need for it. Not that it matters (as it should be obvious morally/ethically from a human point of view) but it's against the guidelines for Show too: https://news.ycombinator.com/showhn.html https://news.ycombinator.com/showhn.html When something isn't good, you needn't pretend that it is, but don't be gratuitously negative.
- gambiting 3y ago
  >>that's surely a negative judgement. And like..........maybe I'm being weird, but........what's wrong with that? >>Don't you see that kind of thing as something wrong, and to be avoided? No, I always saw HN as a community where you can freely(but politely) express your views and discuss them. It would never occur to me that calling some wall art ugly could be compared to being around an abusive person. >>When something isn't good, you needn't pretend that it is, but don't be gratuitously negative. Calling a painting ugly is hardly "gratuiously negative". Maybe it's a bit too direct, but it's not a "show HN" post, I'm not taking anyone down, we're discussing art left by someone who left this in their apartment and passed away - I don't think it should bother anyone any more than calling Picasso or Rembrant's art "ugly". We disagree of course, but again, the comparison to being near an abusive person seems uncalled for. >>But the point is the overall comment in the bad comments ones is vastly negative. The overall point was - how is being a hoarder, making a bunch of art in your apartment that they don't even show anyone ever, "making the world a batter place" - someone else said it's inspirational, I don't really see how either but at least I now know there is a different point of view.
  - keepamovin 3y ago
    It's like too negative. It's like abusive. You when you have something positive and celebratory and happy, and you have all these people come trying to hate on that. That's what I'm seeing there, that's what I don't like. Gratuitous, abusive negativity that is jealous of happiness and ends up even derailing good discussion. Hahaah! :)

Yeah, I think it is. Whether it's ugly or not is subjective, that's surely a negative judgement. But the point is the overall comment in the bad comments ones is vastly negative. It's just such a negative ugly attitude. You don't want to be around that: it's like being around an abusive person, a bully, someone who puts you down, mocks you, belittles you, diminishes you. Don't you see that kind of thing as something wrong, and to be avoided? That's what I'm against here. When I see that attitude in comments: I just think it's gratuitous negativity, there's no need for it. Not that it matters (as it should be obvious morally/ethically from a human point of view) but it's against the guidelines for Show too: https://news.ycombinator.com/showhn.html https://news.ycombinator.com/showhn.html When something isn't good, you needn't pretend that it is, but don't be gratuitously negative.

gambiting 3y ago
>>that's surely a negative judgement. And like..........maybe I'm being weird, but........what's wrong with that? >>Don't you see that kind of thing as something wrong, and to be avoided? No, I always saw HN as a community where you can freely(but politely) express your views and discuss them. It would never occur to me that calling some wall art ugly could be compared to being around an abusive person. >>When something isn't good, you needn't pretend that it is, but don't be gratuitously negative. Calling a painting ugly is hardly "gratuiously negative". Maybe it's a bit too direct, but it's not a "show HN" post, I'm not taking anyone down, we're discussing art left by someone who left this in their apartment and passed away - I don't think it should bother anyone any more than calling Picasso or Rembrant's art "ugly". We disagree of course, but again, the comparison to being near an abusive person seems uncalled for. >>But the point is the overall comment in the bad comments ones is vastly negative. The overall point was - how is being a hoarder, making a bunch of art in your apartment that they don't even show anyone ever, "making the world a batter place" - someone else said it's inspirational, I don't really see how either but at least I now know there is a different point of view.
- keepamovin 3y ago
  It's like too negative. It's like abusive. You when you have something positive and celebratory and happy, and you have all these people come trying to hate on that. That's what I'm seeing there, that's what I don't like. Gratuitous, abusive negativity that is jealous of happiness and ends up even derailing good discussion. Hahaah! :)