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Coda 2

376 points by idan 14y ago

cmelbye 14y ago
Wow, looks very nice. I didn't see anything about this on the page, but is it still geared towards PHP/static/etc sites with normal non-rewritten URLs? It didn't seem to work very nicely with fancy rewritten URLs when I tried it last (for example, the preview feature doesn't work).
- stevekinney 14y ago
  The demo shows PHP and the feature list mentions "Improved Ruby," although I am not sure what that means. It's been years since I used Coda and I wasn't doing a lot of hacking back then.
ehutch79 14y ago
I own a coda 1 license, but i'm not sure any of this will pull me away from sublime text 2. I only use coda for remote wordpress sites. It looks like it's even better for that, but for anything significant, sublime, along with a raft of individual tools seems to work way better.
simonbarker87 14y ago
Looks nice, I'm still trialling Sublime text 2 so theres a chance for Panic to win me back - although I am loving Sublime, Coda is what I learnt with so ... I wonder if they will honour the offer they made during a coda 1 promotion in early 2009. I forget the exact details but there was the promise of a code 2 discount or some kind. Either way, nice job
- jarrodtaylor 14y ago
  They mentioned in the blog post about the release that it would be 50% for the first 24 hours, and a free upgrade for recent purchasers.
  - simonbarker87 14y ago
    Fair play, didn't read the blog post. Just watched the video
whalesalad 14y ago
Looks good but I think this is still more like iWeb than a true hacker's editor. Too much GUI. It assumes you are dealing with more-or-less the LAMP stack and basic PHP websites. Also, I feel like this is kind of another example of do one thing well vs. do a lot of things decently well. If you're depending on one single app for your terminal, MySQL GUI, CSS editor, etc... it feels like bloat. Hand-holding development. Fisher Price. I think most hackers would rather use individual tools that might be more powerful and configurable. I don't know anyone using Coda except a friend who chickenscratches together jQuery scripts and pieces of PHP. He's not a craftsman. Just to be clear: Panic makes some great software and they're some really talented guys. I just dislike Coda. Just for fun: Textmate user for 5 years, have shifted to Sublime because I enjoy some of it's key commands better. They're very similar though. vim on the server.
- micron5d 14y ago
  I think this is the kind of tool primarily used by front end designers/developers. And that's kind of how it's billed. The stuff that seems like bloat is stuff that's actually useful to people more interested in design and user interfaces, like CSS tools and stuff. There are clearly better tools for hardcore d00ds like yourself.
- taligent 14y ago
  Tools are there to make things easier. It doesn't make you any less of a developer just because you use the Refactor command rather than manually change 20 files. In fact it makes you a better developer. No offense but I would NEVER hire anybody who subscribed to your way of thinking.
  - whalesalad 14y ago
    I'm certainly not the easiest person to employ. Everyone I've ever worked with has told me that.
    - epo 14y ago
      You say that like you're proud of it. At some point as you get older, your idiosyncrasies will make you simply not worth having around, and then you be an easy person to unemploy.
ckluis 14y ago
I'll purchase if it supports Wordpress in a meaningful way.
- chrisguitarguy 14y ago
  http://hitchhackerguide.com/2011/02/18/wordpress-syntax-mode-for-panic-coda/ http://hitchhackerguide.com/2011/02/18/wordpress-syntax-mode...
- lukifer 14y ago
  There's a third-party syntax mode for WordPress on Coda 1, I suspect it will still work for v2: http://wordpress.org/support/topic/wordpress-syntax-mode-for-coda-editor http://wordpress.org/support/topic/wordpress-syntax-mode-for...
FuzzyDunlop 14y ago
I noticed it's nice new CSS feature only generates Webkit specific CSS[1]. That is not good. However, I think their usage of CSS3 transforms to focus on different parts of the video is pretty clever. Watching the video on its own feels rather bland in comparison. [1] http://i.imgur.com/rpVUw.png http://i.imgur.com/rpVUw.png
- SimpleQuark 14y ago
  " I think their usage of CSS3 transforms to focus on different parts of the video is pretty clever. Watching the video on its own feels rather bland in comparison." It may have been clever, but it absolutely thrashes my cpu. Why didn't they just do the transforms/transitions in whatever they used to record the screencast? Coda2 looks great but using css3 like that will thrash the browser way more than building it out in Flash would have.
  - incongruity 14y ago
    And making it a flash piece would certainly be an embarrassment for their brand, given that they're demoing a tool for html and css development (etc.)... (also, it may well be your machine – my laptop's CPU usage never gets above ~10% while watching it... just say'n is all)
  - eridius 14y ago
    What browser are you using? It runs like a dream in Safari.
    - FireBeyond 14y ago
      And therein lies the rub. Panic is hardly alone, but where once stood a legion of Mac users screaming bloody murder (and rightly so) at websites that were "Designed for IE on Windows", now there is a generation of "Works in Safari? Looks good on my iPad? Ship it!" designers and developers.
      - irons 14y ago
dmishe 14y ago
is it useful for anything other than php/css/html?
- filmgirlcw 14y ago
  At least with Coda 1, Ruby and Python are supported too -- and JavaScript, obv. But it's not as robust as some more hardcore text editors.
nerdfiles 14y ago
1. Full File Browser 2. List View and Groups [for Sites] 3. Git support These features make me incredibly happy. Though I will probably stick to maintaining my ragtag collection of tools (vim, cli tools etc.) I'm wondering if there will be an upgrade license.
filmgirlcw 14y ago
Looks good. TextMate remains my go-to editor (and that's not going to change, it's just not), but I've always appreciated Coda when doing WordPress work. The new features make it look like for WordPress or other MySQL-backed CMSes, it'll be super nice. Would love to know if they plan on doing more to get developers to create more add-ons for Coda. The community is there, but it's super small compared to TextMate, Sublime Text and even Espresso. Still, as a rule, I buy anything Panic puts out so I'm getting this on Thursday. ETA: I think the real brilliance here is Diet Coda for iPad. AirPreview is genius and bringing subset editing functionality to the iPad in a meaningful way is great.
- adeelk 14y ago
  > AirPreview is genius and bringing subset editing functionality to the iPad in a meaningful way is great. There’s no editing functionality, just a preview of the page.
  - jpxxx 14y ago
    Yes there is, read again. AirPreview is a single feature of the portable viewer/editor for iOS. http://panic.com/dietcoda/ http://panic.com/dietcoda/
    - adeelk 14y ago
      Completely missed that, sorry.
flixic 14y ago
They seem to have defined their target user, and design around it. And I think most of us are not this target user. I have used Coda since 1.0, but later switched to TextMate and now, Sublime Text. And eventually, I replaced all the good parts of Coda with something that wouldn't work with Coda as well: - I write Ruby, not PHP, and it's not one-input-file-equals-one-output-file at all. So preview is not that useful. Completion probably won't work for Ruby as well as for PHP, and so on. - I don't write CSS or JS anymore, and I don't think I could live without my SCSS or CoffeeScript (well, I can, but it's painful). So all the fancy CSS GUI pop-ups don't help, I have a probably even better solution in code and mixins. - Finally, all the UI seems to be Novice-friendly, with sidebars and tabs, while I don't even have a sidebar at all on ST2, and just use Cmd+T for opening / switching files. Also, as for the site itself, the demo tour looks awesome (even though a bit crammed). All the best to them! I won't be upgrading, but I think many will find Coda 2 a great improvement. P.S. I love that they list app being "Retina-Ready" while we still don't have any retina Macs yet :)
- erifneerg 14y ago
  I followed that same path of editors but ended in vim (instead of sublime) and use a number terminal tools. Coda is really pretty and wish i could have some of my workflow.
  - tylermenezes 14y ago
    (Sublime is gradually implementing VI commands, if anyone's interested. Look up the Vintage and VintageEx packages.)
    - mehulkar 14y ago
      I use the vintage package and although not a vim guy, it's definitely useful in some cases. warming up to vim because of the package.
    - erifneerg 14y ago
      Yes, I did notices that. Sublime is very tempting but the cost and having a workflow that I'm happy with stop me from using in a project atm.
kevinSuttle 14y ago
Users really had to wait so they could build a MySQL editor? Who was asking for that? I'm pretty disappointed, unlike the voiceover for that video. Think I'll stick to Espresso.
jlbprof 14y ago
It is not clear to me what Coda is. They certainly do not mention it at the site. It looks like some form of IDE but there no other information. I am not going to go through the tutorials without some simple explanation of what it is and where it is applicable.
- 54mf 14y ago
  Are you serious? The first paragraph: "You code the web. We revolutionized that process in Coda, putting everything in one place. An editor. Terminal. CSS. Files."
  - jlbprof 14y ago
    What languages does it support? What OS? or is it a Web App itself?
    - nickheer 14y ago
      The Mac App Store icon infers that it's a Mac app. As for languages, you're right that it isn't clear. Having said that, the main window is a text editor which performs highlighting on all of the major web languages (in Coda 1.x anyway).
      - jacobr 14y ago
        If you're not a Mac user, how would you know what the App Store icon looks like? There was nothing in the Help/FAQ either, so it wasn't until I manually navigated to panic.com, seeing that they do Apple apps, that I finally got pretty sure it wouldn't be available for my platform.
        dorian-graph 14y ago
        There comes a point where preparing for all levels of pedantry isn't wise and it's fine for people to assume a certain level of knowledge/experience from their target audience especially if their target audience isn't everyone.
uptown 14y ago
via @panic: Tap the \ (backslash) key while the video is playing to reveal the entire screen.
- mogstad 14y ago
  Is it just me that thinks this is rather stupid? Now they are downloading much more data then needed and pre rendering the camera movement should also get a better frame rate and the edges would have been anti-aliased.
TwiztidK 14y ago
I'll probably pass on this one. I used Coda 1 for a bit but then moved onto TextMate when I started doing almost everything with Rails. The one Panic app I still use often is Transmit, so I wouldn't mind if they worked on upgrading that now that Coda 2 is near completion.
tedsuo 14y ago
Love coda for managing large numbers of cms installs. Use it for all my non-vim work (pair programing and more serious dev tasks just work better in vim, makes me think better). Exploring a code base works better for me in coda, the function names in the sidebar and file management, it's a nice light weight IDE. I often end up with both coda and vim going at the same time.
- speg 14y ago
  Yes. Function names in the sidebar is the reason I still use Coda. Our workplace code base is so sprawled, this feature alone saves me so much grief.
  - mikeroher 14y ago
    Have you tried this? SHows functions in a tag bar in vim. http://www.vim.org/scripts/script.php?script_id=273 http://www.vim.org/scripts/script.php?script_id=273
    - speg 14y ago
      I think I tried that one out when I was giving Vim a whirl. Unfortunately I couldn't get into it. If there was something similar for Sublime Text 2, I would be very interested.
      - mattacular 14y ago
        Command/Ctrl+R will bring up the symbol explorer in ST2. Basically the same as Coda's function explorer. I do wish it could be a permanent fixture on the sidebar though... not sure if this is possible or not with a plugin.
sycren 14y ago
Is there an upgrade path for Coda 1 users? Also while the video is presented well, I think they need to change the music - Its far too distracting..
- stevekinney 14y ago
  Direct customers (e.g. not the Mac App Store) can upgrade for $75. Recent purchasers (via the direct channel and after April 10, 2012) can get it for free. In addition, every one can get it for $50 (half-off) for the first 24 hours, which is a great tactic if you want to elicit impulse buys through a channel that doesn't support refunds—I'm looking at you Mac App Store.
saeedjabbar 14y ago
Having used Coda since 1.0 as well I have to say I'm very disappointed with this release. The GUI looks like crap and is not intuitive at all. All the file navigation can easily be done with a keyboard short cut similar to sublime, no need for 50 different ways to do it. The mysql editor looks half assed as well. Where is the improved support for Ruby they mentioned? Coda 2 looks like an improved version of iweb in the ilife suite. Really expected more for Panic as I was really excited for Coda 2.
philip1209 14y ago
Does a license to Coda 1 include a free upgrade?
- 54mf 14y ago
  Nope, but it does give you $20 off. $79 vs $99. Also, the app is $50 for everyone for the first 24 hours. A bit of a bitter pill, for sure, but considering that it's a total rewrite with massive new features, it seems fair.
  - philip1209 14y ago
    "If you bought Coda 1 very recently (after April 10, 2012) directly from us, you are entitled to a free upgrade. Unfortunately, Apple does not provide us a way to give free upgrades to all customers who purchased Coda 1 from the Mac App Store recently" That's what I was looking for - I bought it in the last month. Thanks for your response.
kbd 14y ago
They added Git support but not Mercurial :(
acomjean 14y ago
I use coda for my personal site and a non-profit site I work on on the side. Its not as hard core as my work setup, but its fast and easy and I do like it. Its easy and fast but was getting a little long in the tooth. I'm all optimism about this.
marcusestes 14y ago
Panic markets their own software better than just about anyone in the business. I always love their new product demo sites!
- btb 14y ago
  Not sure I agree. I've never heard of Coda before, and the webpage doesnt really tell me what it does or why I need it. I get the impression its some sort of visual studio-like thingy for mac users?
pwthornton 14y ago
Coda works really well for WordPress work and for static sites. I'm interested to see if the new version is strong for uses beyond that. I am very excited for Diet Coda. I can't see myself doing serious code work on an iPad, but for quick fixes and small work, it would be great to have it on the go.
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ehed 14y ago
"Proverbial butter." Nice. Most of the features I hop over to Espresso for (code folding, for one) are in Coda 2, yay!
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deathwarmedover 14y ago
I really did enjoy using Coda when I was doing PHP work around 2008-2009 (got my company to buy me a copy). Now that I work primarily in Ruby and forced myself to learn Vim a few months ago, I can't ever imagine myself going back to Coda. That said, it looks like they added a bunch of features I would have loved back then.
xbryanx 14y ago
Ack, that music makes me feel like I just found a dark and dangerous bonus level in Mario.
crag 14y ago
Well, it's about time. I mean, it only took 3 years. Coda has always been for the "front end" developer. I've moved on to PHPStorm and Sublime. But I will be taking look at Coda 2. I don't see the cost anywhere?
- KingMob 14y ago
  I think it said $50 for the first 24 hours, after that it's a $75 upgrade, $99 new.
alexobenauer 14y ago
Is anyone else unimpressed by what is new given the amount of time they've taken between releases 1 and 2? Coda 1 came out over 5 years ago, and few, if any, of the highlighted new features are new to the world of development, just new to Coda. I will say I like the embedded editors for colors in CSS, but that was the biggest improvement I think I see.
- guywithabike 14y ago
  You didn't read anything on the page, did you?
kaolinite 14y ago
Hm, when I clicked on the Coda tour button, it sped through the video at 2x speed. That's odd. I feel a bit sorry for Panic. Their designs, imo, have been mimicked so much across the internet that their site now looks old and cliche. It's not their fault and it looks very nice, but because so many sites use it I just can't stand it now.
pooriaazimi 14y ago
I didn't find anything about 'App Sandbox' in the app features/descriptions... Is it fully sandboxed? Because, you know, Apple will enforce sandbox effective June 1st! It means that Apple will pull Coda 2 in about 7 days after its lunch. I wouldn't buy Coda 2 from the App Store before June 1st if I were you.
- ary 14y ago
  This may actually be sound advice given this tweet from Steven Frank (co-owner of Panic). https://twitter.com/#!/stevenf/status/204675630363721728 https://twitter.com/#!/stevenf/status/204675630363721728
- ryannielsen 14y ago
  > It means that Apple will pull Coda 2 in about 7 days after its lunch. Citation required. Can you back up that statement? Everything else that I've seen indicates that Apple will require apps submitted after June 1 to be sandboxed. I've seen nothing indicating they'll pull old apps. Furthermore, what's to say they can't get custom entitlements? Apple is extremely eager to have every app sandboxed and has emphasized many times they'll work with apps who need permissions not in the standard set of entitlements to build custom entitlements.
  - pooriaazimi 14y ago
    I wouldn't give Panic $49, $79 or $99 (or even $0.99) just for Coda 2.0.0.0. I want all the future updates, which, if Apple does not grant custom entitlements, wouldn't make it into the App Store. I have a huge respect for Panic (specially for their taste in design) and I use their products, but not addressing this issue seems very unprofessional to me.
- DrJokepu 14y ago
  Apple will not pull non-sandboxed apps from the Mac App Store. They have previously communicated that existing apps will be able to stay in the App Store. They won't accept new non-sandboxed apps and they won't accept new, non-sandboxed versions of apps with the notable exception of minor maintenance/bugfix updates. Source: the email Apple sent to all registered Mac developers in February.
white_devil 14y ago
Is there any reason to use this over something from JetBrains?
weslly 14y ago
It looks awesome, but I don't think I would enjoy this fancy GUI after a couple of weeks using it. It looks like a replacement for dreamweaver or iWeb.
moondev 14y ago
Finally!!! Coda's editor really shines with their sidebar IMO. Being able to drag and drop files, seeing meaningful icons, built in ftp editor when you need it... etc. I just hope it has a split-pane feature the way sublime does as I have become addicted to the way that works.
Derbasti 14y ago
Say what you want, but that demo was absolutely brilliant. I am not the target audience, though.
mehulkar 14y ago
Reminds me of Dreamweaver
desireco42 14y ago
As someone who really uses vim all the time, this is impressive, even if I am not target user. Coda for me was app that was defining mac as a platform.
adamsilver 14y ago
Jon Skinner, seems like you're screwed my friend.
davvid 14y ago
1. Any sufficiently complicated text editing program contains an ad hoc, informally specified, bug-ridden, slow implementation of half of vim. 2. No new programming environment will ever satisfy advanced vim users without adding a "vim emulation" mode, thus satisfying #1. (p.s. I am a vim user)
- balanceiskey15 14y ago
  I totally agree with #2. I'm curious whether you've tried Sublime's Vintage Mode and what things may have been slow or buggy. I'd say my Vim skills are somewhere between novice and intermediate and feel entirely out-of-place editing text without vim bindings nearby.
  - davvid 14y ago
    BTW it was a parody of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenspuns_tenth_rule http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenspuns_tenth_rule
    - balanceiskey15 14y ago
      Ohhhhhhh, gotcha.
- antihero 14y ago
  ST2 is actually way faster when you have to work with long lines and syntax highlighting. The one thing ST2 REALLY NEEDS is :set rnu.
user23409 14y ago
* AirPreview requires separate purchase of Diet Coda.* Thats a pretty big bummer considering it's the most compelling feature. Also, I know panic is a mac only shop, but platform locked desktop apps seem a bit unsavory these days. Especially applications for developers.
faizanaziz 14y ago
Does anyone know wether it will be good for python dev?
- fusiongyro 14y ago
  I'd be surprised. Coda 1 can edit lots of file types, but it's clearly intended for a PHP workflow: edit files, preview them, upload to the server. Not sure the whizzy features are going to help you much.
juddlyon 14y ago
Wow, tough crowd. This is a Dreamweaver killer for CMS themers, no need to bring Vim into the conversation.
- tsurantino 14y ago
  Finally someone makes the explicit mention. The app looks great but I think the tab interface looks really...just dumb. I don't understand why so much of my screenspace has to be filled with this obtrusive icon preview of an entire webpage (which you can't completely see), page of code (which you can't completely see), MySQL editor (which you can't comp-ok you get my point). Otherwise looks good.
- duaneb 14y ago
  Well, to be fair, this "crowd" is not CMS themers.
pkh80 14y ago
I like Coda for the built in SSH support.. all my dev work is done on a dedicated dev server, I don't code anything locally. So everyday text editors don't really work for me. I have tried remote mounting SSH and using text editors that way but its never been as smooth as Coda with the integrated file browsing. Having a dedicated dev server is a real treat if you want to code from multiple machines and need a real robust server environment.
michaelmartin 14y ago
I want to know more about why they chose to share absolutely nothing in the build-up, launch a gorgeous video today, and then aren't ready to take purchases for 48 more hours? That just seems like a huge mistake to me. Surely the point of being silent in development was to have this big unveiling. Shouldn't the sale then kick off right now while we're still (in theory) amazed at it? (Especially with MAS not offering refunds...)
aaronbasssett 14y ago
Until I can set filters on the file display so I don't see .pyc files I'll be giving Coda a pass.
pacomerh 14y ago
Ultimately it's about what you do with the tool, there's not one size fits all editor as far as I know. You don't need to be a CMS themer or Dreamweaver fan to like this, it has all sorts of features that you may or not use if you don't like. What you can do with it it's up to you. For example, I do music and use software that costs around $500 dlls. I know several musicians that are using far less expensive software, with less capabilities and they're making amazing songs. Well?

376 points by idan 14y ago

Wow, looks very nice. I didn't see anything about this on the page, but is it still geared towards PHP/static/etc sites with normal non-rewritten URLs? It didn't seem to work very nicely with fancy rewritten URLs when I tried it last (for example, the preview feature doesn't work).

stevekinney 14y ago
The demo shows PHP and the feature list mentions "Improved Ruby," although I am not sure what that means. It's been years since I used Coda and I wasn't doing a lot of hacking back then.

ehutch79 14y ago

I own a coda 1 license, but i'm not sure any of this will pull me away from sublime text 2. I only use coda for remote wordpress sites. It looks like it's even better for that, but for anything significant, sublime, along with a raft of individual tools seems to work way better.

simonbarker87 14y ago

Looks nice, I'm still trialling Sublime text 2 so theres a chance for Panic to win me back - although I am loving Sublime, Coda is what I learnt with so ... I wonder if they will honour the offer they made during a coda 1 promotion in early 2009. I forget the exact details but there was the promise of a code 2 discount or some kind. Either way, nice job

jarrodtaylor 14y ago
They mentioned in the blog post about the release that it would be 50% for the first 24 hours, and a free upgrade for recent purchasers.
- simonbarker87 14y ago
  Fair play, didn't read the blog post. Just watched the video

whalesalad 14y ago

Looks good but I think this is still more like iWeb than a true hacker's editor. Too much GUI. It assumes you are dealing with more-or-less the LAMP stack and basic PHP websites. Also, I feel like this is kind of another example of do one thing well vs. do a lot of things decently well. If you're depending on one single app for your terminal, MySQL GUI, CSS editor, etc... it feels like bloat. Hand-holding development. Fisher Price. I think most hackers would rather use individual tools that might be more powerful and configurable. I don't know anyone using Coda except a friend who chickenscratches together jQuery scripts and pieces of PHP. He's not a craftsman. Just to be clear: Panic makes some great software and they're some really talented guys. I just dislike Coda. Just for fun: Textmate user for 5 years, have shifted to Sublime because I enjoy some of it's key commands better. They're very similar though. vim on the server.

micron5d 14y ago
I think this is the kind of tool primarily used by front end designers/developers. And that's kind of how it's billed. The stuff that seems like bloat is stuff that's actually useful to people more interested in design and user interfaces, like CSS tools and stuff. There are clearly better tools for hardcore d00ds like yourself.
taligent 14y ago
Tools are there to make things easier. It doesn't make you any less of a developer just because you use the Refactor command rather than manually change 20 files. In fact it makes you a better developer. No offense but I would NEVER hire anybody who subscribed to your way of thinking.
- whalesalad 14y ago
  I'm certainly not the easiest person to employ. Everyone I've ever worked with has told me that.
  - epo 14y ago
    You say that like you're proud of it. At some point as you get older, your idiosyncrasies will make you simply not worth having around, and then you be an easy person to unemploy.

ckluis 14y ago

I'll purchase if it supports Wordpress in a meaningful way.

chrisguitarguy 14y ago
http://hitchhackerguide.com/2011/02/18/wordpress-syntax-mode-for-panic-coda/ http://hitchhackerguide.com/2011/02/18/wordpress-syntax-mode...
lukifer 14y ago
There's a third-party syntax mode for WordPress on Coda 1, I suspect it will still work for v2: http://wordpress.org/support/topic/wordpress-syntax-mode-for-coda-editor http://wordpress.org/support/topic/wordpress-syntax-mode-for...

FuzzyDunlop 14y ago

I noticed it's nice new CSS feature only generates Webkit specific CSS[1]. That is not good. However, I think their usage of CSS3 transforms to focus on different parts of the video is pretty clever. Watching the video on its own feels rather bland in comparison. [1] http://i.imgur.com/rpVUw.png http://i.imgur.com/rpVUw.png

SimpleQuark 14y ago
" I think their usage of CSS3 transforms to focus on different parts of the video is pretty clever. Watching the video on its own feels rather bland in comparison." It may have been clever, but it absolutely thrashes my cpu. Why didn't they just do the transforms/transitions in whatever they used to record the screencast? Coda2 looks great but using css3 like that will thrash the browser way more than building it out in Flash would have.
- incongruity 14y ago
  And making it a flash piece would certainly be an embarrassment for their brand, given that they're demoing a tool for html and css development (etc.)... (also, it may well be your machine – my laptop's CPU usage never gets above ~10% while watching it... just say'n is all)
- eridius 14y ago
  What browser are you using? It runs like a dream in Safari.
  - FireBeyond 14y ago
    And therein lies the rub. Panic is hardly alone, but where once stood a legion of Mac users screaming bloody murder (and rightly so) at websites that were "Designed for IE on Windows", now there is a generation of "Works in Safari? Looks good on my iPad? Ship it!" designers and developers.
    - irons 14y ago

dmishe 14y ago

is it useful for anything other than php/css/html?

filmgirlcw 14y ago
At least with Coda 1, Ruby and Python are supported too -- and JavaScript, obv. But it's not as robust as some more hardcore text editors.

nerdfiles 14y ago

1. Full File Browser 2. List View and Groups [for Sites] 3. Git support These features make me incredibly happy. Though I will probably stick to maintaining my ragtag collection of tools (vim, cli tools etc.) I'm wondering if there will be an upgrade license.

filmgirlcw 14y ago

Looks good. TextMate remains my go-to editor (and that's not going to change, it's just not), but I've always appreciated Coda when doing WordPress work. The new features make it look like for WordPress or other MySQL-backed CMSes, it'll be super nice. Would love to know if they plan on doing more to get developers to create more add-ons for Coda. The community is there, but it's super small compared to TextMate, Sublime Text and even Espresso. Still, as a rule, I buy anything Panic puts out so I'm getting this on Thursday. ETA: I think the real brilliance here is Diet Coda for iPad. AirPreview is genius and bringing subset editing functionality to the iPad in a meaningful way is great.

adeelk 14y ago
> AirPreview is genius and bringing subset editing functionality to the iPad in a meaningful way is great. There’s no editing functionality, just a preview of the page.
- jpxxx 14y ago
  Yes there is, read again. AirPreview is a single feature of the portable viewer/editor for iOS. http://panic.com/dietcoda/ http://panic.com/dietcoda/
  - adeelk 14y ago
    Completely missed that, sorry.

flixic 14y ago

They seem to have defined their target user, and design around it. And I think most of us are not this target user. I have used Coda since 1.0, but later switched to TextMate and now, Sublime Text. And eventually, I replaced all the good parts of Coda with something that wouldn't work with Coda as well: - I write Ruby, not PHP, and it's not one-input-file-equals-one-output-file at all. So preview is not that useful. Completion probably won't work for Ruby as well as for PHP, and so on. - I don't write CSS or JS anymore, and I don't think I could live without my SCSS or CoffeeScript (well, I can, but it's painful). So all the fancy CSS GUI pop-ups don't help, I have a probably even better solution in code and mixins. - Finally, all the UI seems to be Novice-friendly, with sidebars and tabs, while I don't even have a sidebar at all on ST2, and just use Cmd+T for opening / switching files. Also, as for the site itself, the demo tour looks awesome (even though a bit crammed). All the best to them! I won't be upgrading, but I think many will find Coda 2 a great improvement. P.S. I love that they list app being "Retina-Ready" while we still don't have any retina Macs yet :)

erifneerg 14y ago
I followed that same path of editors but ended in vim (instead of sublime) and use a number terminal tools. Coda is really pretty and wish i could have some of my workflow.
- tylermenezes 14y ago
  (Sublime is gradually implementing VI commands, if anyone's interested. Look up the Vintage and VintageEx packages.)
  - mehulkar 14y ago
    I use the vintage package and although not a vim guy, it's definitely useful in some cases. warming up to vim because of the package.
  - erifneerg 14y ago
    Yes, I did notices that. Sublime is very tempting but the cost and having a workflow that I'm happy with stop me from using in a project atm.

kevinSuttle 14y ago

Users really had to wait so they could build a MySQL editor? Who was asking for that? I'm pretty disappointed, unlike the voiceover for that video. Think I'll stick to Espresso.

jlbprof 14y ago

It is not clear to me what Coda is. They certainly do not mention it at the site. It looks like some form of IDE but there no other information. I am not going to go through the tutorials without some simple explanation of what it is and where it is applicable.

54mf 14y ago
Are you serious? The first paragraph: "You code the web. We revolutionized that process in Coda, putting everything in one place. An editor. Terminal. CSS. Files."
- jlbprof 14y ago
  What languages does it support? What OS? or is it a Web App itself?
  - nickheer 14y ago
    The Mac App Store icon infers that it's a Mac app. As for languages, you're right that it isn't clear. Having said that, the main window is a text editor which performs highlighting on all of the major web languages (in Coda 1.x anyway).
    - jacobr 14y ago
      If you're not a Mac user, how would you know what the App Store icon looks like? There was nothing in the Help/FAQ either, so it wasn't until I manually navigated to panic.com, seeing that they do Apple apps, that I finally got pretty sure it wouldn't be available for my platform.
      - dorian-graph 14y ago
        There comes a point where preparing for all levels of pedantry isn't wise and it's fine for people to assume a certain level of knowledge/experience from their target audience especially if their target audience isn't everyone.

uptown 14y ago

via @panic: Tap the \ (backslash) key while the video is playing to reveal the entire screen.

mogstad 14y ago
Is it just me that thinks this is rather stupid? Now they are downloading much more data then needed and pre rendering the camera movement should also get a better frame rate and the edges would have been anti-aliased.

TwiztidK 14y ago

I'll probably pass on this one. I used Coda 1 for a bit but then moved onto TextMate when I started doing almost everything with Rails. The one Panic app I still use often is Transmit, so I wouldn't mind if they worked on upgrading that now that Coda 2 is near completion.

tedsuo 14y ago

Love coda for managing large numbers of cms installs. Use it for all my non-vim work (pair programing and more serious dev tasks just work better in vim, makes me think better). Exploring a code base works better for me in coda, the function names in the sidebar and file management, it's a nice light weight IDE. I often end up with both coda and vim going at the same time.

speg 14y ago
Yes. Function names in the sidebar is the reason I still use Coda. Our workplace code base is so sprawled, this feature alone saves me so much grief.
- mikeroher 14y ago
  Have you tried this? SHows functions in a tag bar in vim. http://www.vim.org/scripts/script.php?script_id=273 http://www.vim.org/scripts/script.php?script_id=273
  - speg 14y ago
    I think I tried that one out when I was giving Vim a whirl. Unfortunately I couldn't get into it. If there was something similar for Sublime Text 2, I would be very interested.
    - mattacular 14y ago
      Command/Ctrl+R will bring up the symbol explorer in ST2. Basically the same as Coda's function explorer. I do wish it could be a permanent fixture on the sidebar though... not sure if this is possible or not with a plugin.

sycren 14y ago

Is there an upgrade path for Coda 1 users? Also while the video is presented well, I think they need to change the music - Its far too distracting..

stevekinney 14y ago
Direct customers (e.g. not the Mac App Store) can upgrade for $75. Recent purchasers (via the direct channel and after April 10, 2012) can get it for free. In addition, every one can get it for $50 (half-off) for the first 24 hours, which is a great tactic if you want to elicit impulse buys through a channel that doesn't support refunds—I'm looking at you Mac App Store.

saeedjabbar 14y ago

Having used Coda since 1.0 as well I have to say I'm very disappointed with this release. The GUI looks like crap and is not intuitive at all. All the file navigation can easily be done with a keyboard short cut similar to sublime, no need for 50 different ways to do it. The mysql editor looks half assed as well. Where is the improved support for Ruby they mentioned? Coda 2 looks like an improved version of iweb in the ilife suite. Really expected more for Panic as I was really excited for Coda 2.

philip1209 14y ago

Does a license to Coda 1 include a free upgrade?

54mf 14y ago
Nope, but it does give you $20 off. $79 vs $99. Also, the app is $50 for everyone for the first 24 hours. A bit of a bitter pill, for sure, but considering that it's a total rewrite with massive new features, it seems fair.
- philip1209 14y ago
  "If you bought Coda 1 very recently (after April 10, 2012) directly from us, you are entitled to a free upgrade. Unfortunately, Apple does not provide us a way to give free upgrades to all customers who purchased Coda 1 from the Mac App Store recently" That's what I was looking for - I bought it in the last month. Thanks for your response.

kbd 14y ago

They added Git support but not Mercurial :(

acomjean 14y ago

I use coda for my personal site and a non-profit site I work on on the side. Its not as hard core as my work setup, but its fast and easy and I do like it. Its easy and fast but was getting a little long in the tooth. I'm all optimism about this.

marcusestes 14y ago

Panic markets their own software better than just about anyone in the business. I always love their new product demo sites!

btb 14y ago
Not sure I agree. I've never heard of Coda before, and the webpage doesnt really tell me what it does or why I need it. I get the impression its some sort of visual studio-like thingy for mac users?

pwthornton 14y ago

Coda works really well for WordPress work and for static sites. I'm interested to see if the new version is strong for uses beyond that. I am very excited for Diet Coda. I can't see myself doing serious code work on an iPad, but for quick fixes and small work, it would be great to have it on the go.

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ehed 14y ago

"Proverbial butter." Nice. Most of the features I hop over to Espresso for (code folding, for one) are in Coda 2, yay!

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deathwarmedover 14y ago

I really did enjoy using Coda when I was doing PHP work around 2008-2009 (got my company to buy me a copy). Now that I work primarily in Ruby and forced myself to learn Vim a few months ago, I can't ever imagine myself going back to Coda. That said, it looks like they added a bunch of features I would have loved back then.

xbryanx 14y ago

Ack, that music makes me feel like I just found a dark and dangerous bonus level in Mario.

crag 14y ago

Well, it's about time. I mean, it only took 3 years. Coda has always been for the "front end" developer. I've moved on to PHPStorm and Sublime. But I will be taking look at Coda 2. I don't see the cost anywhere?

KingMob 14y ago
I think it said $50 for the first 24 hours, after that it's a $75 upgrade, $99 new.

alexobenauer 14y ago

Is anyone else unimpressed by what is new given the amount of time they've taken between releases 1 and 2? Coda 1 came out over 5 years ago, and few, if any, of the highlighted new features are new to the world of development, just new to Coda. I will say I like the embedded editors for colors in CSS, but that was the biggest improvement I think I see.

guywithabike 14y ago
You didn't read anything on the page, did you?

kaolinite 14y ago

Hm, when I clicked on the Coda tour button, it sped through the video at 2x speed. That's odd. I feel a bit sorry for Panic. Their designs, imo, have been mimicked so much across the internet that their site now looks old and cliche. It's not their fault and it looks very nice, but because so many sites use it I just can't stand it now.

pooriaazimi 14y ago

I didn't find anything about 'App Sandbox' in the app features/descriptions... Is it fully sandboxed? Because, you know, Apple will enforce sandbox effective June 1st! It means that Apple will pull Coda 2 in about 7 days after its lunch. I wouldn't buy Coda 2 from the App Store before June 1st if I were you.

ary 14y ago
This may actually be sound advice given this tweet from Steven Frank (co-owner of Panic). https://twitter.com/#!/stevenf/status/204675630363721728 https://twitter.com/#!/stevenf/status/204675630363721728
ryannielsen 14y ago
> It means that Apple will pull Coda 2 in about 7 days after its lunch. Citation required. Can you back up that statement? Everything else that I've seen indicates that Apple will require apps submitted after June 1 to be sandboxed. I've seen nothing indicating they'll pull old apps. Furthermore, what's to say they can't get custom entitlements? Apple is extremely eager to have every app sandboxed and has emphasized many times they'll work with apps who need permissions not in the standard set of entitlements to build custom entitlements.
- pooriaazimi 14y ago
  I wouldn't give Panic $49, $79 or $99 (or even $0.99) just for Coda 2.0.0.0. I want all the future updates, which, if Apple does not grant custom entitlements, wouldn't make it into the App Store. I have a huge respect for Panic (specially for their taste in design) and I use their products, but not addressing this issue seems very unprofessional to me.
DrJokepu 14y ago
Apple will not pull non-sandboxed apps from the Mac App Store. They have previously communicated that existing apps will be able to stay in the App Store. They won't accept new non-sandboxed apps and they won't accept new, non-sandboxed versions of apps with the notable exception of minor maintenance/bugfix updates. Source: the email Apple sent to all registered Mac developers in February.

white_devil 14y ago

Is there any reason to use this over something from JetBrains?

weslly 14y ago

It looks awesome, but I don't think I would enjoy this fancy GUI after a couple of weeks using it. It looks like a replacement for dreamweaver or iWeb.

moondev 14y ago

Finally!!! Coda's editor really shines with their sidebar IMO. Being able to drag and drop files, seeing meaningful icons, built in ftp editor when you need it... etc. I just hope it has a split-pane feature the way sublime does as I have become addicted to the way that works.

Derbasti 14y ago

Say what you want, but that demo was absolutely brilliant. I am not the target audience, though.

mehulkar 14y ago

Reminds me of Dreamweaver

desireco42 14y ago

As someone who really uses vim all the time, this is impressive, even if I am not target user. Coda for me was app that was defining mac as a platform.

adamsilver 14y ago

Jon Skinner, seems like you're screwed my friend.

davvid 14y ago

1. Any sufficiently complicated text editing program contains an ad hoc, informally specified, bug-ridden, slow implementation of half of vim. 2. No new programming environment will ever satisfy advanced vim users without adding a "vim emulation" mode, thus satisfying #1. (p.s. I am a vim user)

balanceiskey15 14y ago
I totally agree with #2. I'm curious whether you've tried Sublime's Vintage Mode and what things may have been slow or buggy. I'd say my Vim skills are somewhere between novice and intermediate and feel entirely out-of-place editing text without vim bindings nearby.
- davvid 14y ago
  BTW it was a parody of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenspuns_tenth_rule http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenspuns_tenth_rule
  - balanceiskey15 14y ago
    Ohhhhhhh, gotcha.
antihero 14y ago
ST2 is actually way faster when you have to work with long lines and syntax highlighting. The one thing ST2 REALLY NEEDS is :set rnu.

user23409 14y ago

* AirPreview requires separate purchase of Diet Coda.* Thats a pretty big bummer considering it's the most compelling feature. Also, I know panic is a mac only shop, but platform locked desktop apps seem a bit unsavory these days. Especially applications for developers.

faizanaziz 14y ago

Does anyone know wether it will be good for python dev?

fusiongyro 14y ago
I'd be surprised. Coda 1 can edit lots of file types, but it's clearly intended for a PHP workflow: edit files, preview them, upload to the server. Not sure the whizzy features are going to help you much.

juddlyon 14y ago

Wow, tough crowd. This is a Dreamweaver killer for CMS themers, no need to bring Vim into the conversation.

tsurantino 14y ago
Finally someone makes the explicit mention. The app looks great but I think the tab interface looks really...just dumb. I don't understand why so much of my screenspace has to be filled with this obtrusive icon preview of an entire webpage (which you can't completely see), page of code (which you can't completely see), MySQL editor (which you can't comp-ok you get my point). Otherwise looks good.
duaneb 14y ago
Well, to be fair, this "crowd" is not CMS themers.

pkh80 14y ago

I like Coda for the built in SSH support.. all my dev work is done on a dedicated dev server, I don't code anything locally. So everyday text editors don't really work for me. I have tried remote mounting SSH and using text editors that way but its never been as smooth as Coda with the integrated file browsing. Having a dedicated dev server is a real treat if you want to code from multiple machines and need a real robust server environment.

michaelmartin 14y ago

I want to know more about why they chose to share absolutely nothing in the build-up, launch a gorgeous video today, and then aren't ready to take purchases for 48 more hours? That just seems like a huge mistake to me. Surely the point of being silent in development was to have this big unveiling. Shouldn't the sale then kick off right now while we're still (in theory) amazed at it? (Especially with MAS not offering refunds...)

aaronbasssett 14y ago

Until I can set filters on the file display so I don't see .pyc files I'll be giving Coda a pass.

pacomerh 14y ago

Ultimately it's about what you do with the tool, there's not one size fits all editor as far as I know. You don't need to be a CMS themer or Dreamweaver fan to like this, it has all sorts of features that you may or not use if you don't like. What you can do with it it's up to you. For example, I do music and use software that costs around $500 dlls. I know several musicians that are using far less expensive software, with less capabilities and they're making amazing songs. Well?