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They do make some effort to push the “confidential cloud” aspect of their product, where the AI is supposed to somehow operate on your encrypted data, but these

They do make some effort to push the “confidential cloud” aspect of their product, where the AI is supposed to somehow operate on your encrypted data, but these days I only believe it when I see the white paper. It is unfortunately quite common in our industry is to posture as more security-conscious and privacy-focused than you actually are.

delusional 2y ago
And for some reason that's not illegal
janalsncm 2y ago
I’m gonna doubt they’re operating AI on encrypted cloud data. In other words, there’s no technical reason they couldn’t be listening to your conversations. If these guys have accomplished homomorphic encryption they shouldn’t be building a wearable, they should be licensing their IP to Apple.
- mattsan 2y ago
  They're definitely marketing this as if they were Apple. If this takes off I'm betting on Apple buying them out.
  - crooked-v 2y ago
    Every rumor points at Apple announcing OS integration of local LLM assistant stuff at WWDC in June, with specialized chips to go with it. I suspect they're going to Sherlock a lot of small "AI" companies simultaneously.
- ooterness 2y ago
  It's encrypted, but they have the keys. Wouldn't want anyone else to access the data without paying the toll, after all.
  - janalsncm 2y ago
    There’s three options: 1. The data is encrypted and they can’t operate on it in the cloud. 2. The data is not encrypted. 3. The data is encrypted and they have built a state of the art homomorphic encryption algorithm for their AI to operate on. I’m going to guess it’s #1, not #3.
crooked-v 2y ago
It's all sent to OpenAI for the LLM processing, so you'd better make sure you're happy with them getting text transcripts of everything that ever shows up on your computer screen.
nihaals 2y ago
When I saw them compare it to E2EE, since that’s at least a specific thing that can’t really be misinterpreted, I thought they were serious, but turns out it’s not at all[1] and they are advertising themselves as being far more private and secure than they actually are. Considering their investor list[2], maybe this is more common than we realise? [1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40044348 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40044348 [2]: https://www.rewind.ai/about#:~:text=Our%20investors https://www.rewind.ai/about#:~:text=Our%20investors

delusional 2y ago

And for some reason that's not illegal

janalsncm 2y ago

I’m gonna doubt they’re operating AI on encrypted cloud data. In other words, there’s no technical reason they couldn’t be listening to your conversations. If these guys have accomplished homomorphic encryption they shouldn’t be building a wearable, they should be licensing their IP to Apple.

mattsan 2y ago
They're definitely marketing this as if they were Apple. If this takes off I'm betting on Apple buying them out.
- crooked-v 2y ago
  Every rumor points at Apple announcing OS integration of local LLM assistant stuff at WWDC in June, with specialized chips to go with it. I suspect they're going to Sherlock a lot of small "AI" companies simultaneously.
ooterness 2y ago
It's encrypted, but they have the keys. Wouldn't want anyone else to access the data without paying the toll, after all.
- janalsncm 2y ago
  There’s three options: 1. The data is encrypted and they can’t operate on it in the cloud. 2. The data is not encrypted. 3. The data is encrypted and they have built a state of the art homomorphic encryption algorithm for their AI to operate on. I’m going to guess it’s #1, not #3.

crooked-v 2y ago

It's all sent to OpenAI for the LLM processing, so you'd better make sure you're happy with them getting text transcripts of everything that ever shows up on your computer screen.

nihaals 2y ago

When I saw them compare it to E2EE, since that’s at least a specific thing that can’t really be misinterpreted, I thought they were serious, but turns out it’s not at all[1] and they are advertising themselves as being far more private and secure than they actually are. Considering their investor list[2], maybe this is more common than we realise? [1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40044348 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40044348 [2]: https://www.rewind.ai/about#:~:text=Our%20investors https://www.rewind.ai/about#:~:text=Our%20investors