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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Last_Glacial_Period https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Last_Glacial_Period https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_modern_human#Anatomical

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Last_Glacial_Period https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Last_Glacial_Period https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_modern_human#Anatomical_modernity https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_modern_human#Anatomical_... Anatomically modern humans didn't have much of a chance to develop until we got some decent weather.

gumby 3y ago
Hmm, I'm not sure I agree with that. Even during the last glacial maximum there was a lot of inhabitable terrain.
- cmrdporcupine 3y ago
  Indeed evidence points to the west coast of North America being colonized by boats while glaciers were still covering much of the continent. And that likely predates this find probably by at least 3-4 thousand years. Still no smoking gun in terms of firm archaeological finds but that's because that coastline is all dozens of feet underwater now.
  - gumby 3y ago
    3-4 Ky before this find is about the age of the oldest boats found so far.
  - angiosperm 3y ago
    We know Australia was already occupied at least 40kya, and maybe 60kya, and they can only have got there by sailing out of sight of land, even when sea levels were at their lowest (~400ft below current level). Neanderthals were on all east Mediterranean islands except Cyprus ~200kya. (Cyprus is not visible from the mainland or other islands closer to land.) They had to have used boats, although they did not need to navigate. We have reliable evidence of people in North America 37kya, at the Hartley mammoth butchery site, perhaps from the same rootstock as the Australians. Curiously, they lacked the fancy stone tool industry the Siberians brought in much, much later, which might trace all the way back to Europeans 20kya. Apparently there are plenty of other mammoth sites not excavated because they are dated "too old" to involve people. It took Tim Rowe, a decorated paleontologist whose land it was was found on, to get that one dug up properly. Still it seems like no one will talk about it. The millennium of 12,000 years ago was also when Gobekli Tepe and related sites were constructed, right at the sudden end of the Younger Dryas cold spell. Maybe innovation was newly acceptable in response to the fast-changing climate.
ijustlovemath 3y ago
That's absolutely not true; the Berigingians were doing some pretty novel work with fluted points up to and beyond the LGM: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Beringian https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Beringian

gumby 3y ago

Hmm, I'm not sure I agree with that. Even during the last glacial maximum there was a lot of inhabitable terrain.

cmrdporcupine 3y ago
Indeed evidence points to the west coast of North America being colonized by boats while glaciers were still covering much of the continent. And that likely predates this find probably by at least 3-4 thousand years. Still no smoking gun in terms of firm archaeological finds but that's because that coastline is all dozens of feet underwater now.
- gumby 3y ago
  3-4 Ky before this find is about the age of the oldest boats found so far.
- angiosperm 3y ago
  We know Australia was already occupied at least 40kya, and maybe 60kya, and they can only have got there by sailing out of sight of land, even when sea levels were at their lowest (~400ft below current level). Neanderthals were on all east Mediterranean islands except Cyprus ~200kya. (Cyprus is not visible from the mainland or other islands closer to land.) They had to have used boats, although they did not need to navigate. We have reliable evidence of people in North America 37kya, at the Hartley mammoth butchery site, perhaps from the same rootstock as the Australians. Curiously, they lacked the fancy stone tool industry the Siberians brought in much, much later, which might trace all the way back to Europeans 20kya. Apparently there are plenty of other mammoth sites not excavated because they are dated "too old" to involve people. It took Tim Rowe, a decorated paleontologist whose land it was was found on, to get that one dug up properly. Still it seems like no one will talk about it. The millennium of 12,000 years ago was also when Gobekli Tepe and related sites were constructed, right at the sudden end of the Younger Dryas cold spell. Maybe innovation was newly acceptable in response to the fast-changing climate.

ijustlovemath 3y ago

That's absolutely not true; the Berigingians were doing some pretty novel work with fluted points up to and beyond the LGM: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Beringian https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Beringian