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Whenever there's an emergency, real or imagined, be very careful which rights you give up. Once they're gone they're probably not coming back even once the emer
by pjfin123 2y ago
Whenever there's an emergency, real or imagined, be very careful which rights you give up. Once they're gone they're probably not coming back even once the emergency is over.
9-11 was decades ago and we still haven't gotten our freedom from being surveilled back.
- redserk 2y agoI fail to see how this a productive way to look at this. Rights can easily be restored if people knew that they are impacted by these programs. We "gave up" a number of "rights" during COVID and the restrictions were voluntarily relinquished by the government as they were no longer needed. It helped that the changes were very obvious to the average person -- i.e. mask mandates and inter-state travel limitations. (Note: I personally found some actions reasonable hence the quotes above)
- iAMkenough 2y agoI view this as an overly optimistic way of looking at this. It would not be "easy," nor do I believe it's as simple as raising awareness. Those with power will manipulate people into preserving that power through fear, uncertainty, or doubt. Secret courts, gag orders, and disinformation will be used to keep Americans in the dark at all costs.
- JumpCrisscross 2y ago> Secret courts, gag orders, and disinformation will be used to keep Americans in the dark at all costs We’re discussing a bill whose text is public and which was openly debated in the Congress. None of this was in the dark. It was just, unfortunately, wholly uninteresting to most voters.
- RIMR 2y agoI don't think they're talking about the renewal of FISA, but FISA itself.
- RIMR 2y agoComparing the rights we gave up after 9/11 (read: actual rights that we no longer have) to the "rights" we "gave up" during the COVID era (read: inconveniences that right-wingers propagandized about) doesn't seem very genuine...