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Elon Musk is the new Steve Jobs. On paper [Elon|Steve] is quite successful. People attribute this success to luck and say [Elon|Steve] isn't doing anything of

Elon Musk is the new Steve Jobs. On paper [Elon|Steve] is quite successful. People attribute this success to luck and say [Elon|Steve] isn't doing anything of value. Some people worship him, while others devalue everything he does. Nobody gets lucky this many times in a row.

archagon 3y ago
Except people who worked with Jobs closely tend to have many fond recollections of the man, his taste, and his intelligence. He hand-selected and inspired some of the best engineers and designers in the industry, and you could clearly see that he knew what he was talking about when he spoke in public or about his products. > Nobody gets lucky this many times in a row. If you have enough money and hubris, a whole lot of things will work out for you.
- shepherdjerred 3y ago
  They only had those fond recollections many years after their experiences, after working on products that were ultimately very successful. I don't know that much about Musk, but I could imagine that some of his employees will look back at their time at Tesla/SpaceX fondly (provided that both ventures work out in the long-term)
- _gabe_ 3y ago
  > It is true, however, that Jobs was hot tempered, could easily start shouting at his employees and calling their work shit, and reduce them to tears. But he was not just cruel and brutal: he could also be a total charmer and make his colleagues feel like geniuses (this is how he hired most of them actually). While at NeXT, his employees dubbed this swift change of attitude "Steve's hero/shithead roller-coaster", a nice metaphor for the binary view with which Jobs described the world, and how he treated his fellow staff https://allaboutstevejobs.com/persona/steve_at_work#:~:text=Most%20colleagues%20of%20Jobs%20described,it%20had%20to%20be%20perfect https://allaboutstevejobs.com/persona/steve_at_work#:~:text=.... Doesn’t sound like everyone had fond recollections.
  - archagon 3y ago
    I certainly did not mean to imply that everyone had good experiences with Jobs. Just that the Apple old guard seems to have more fond recollections of the man than not.

archagon 3y ago

Except people who worked with Jobs closely tend to have many fond recollections of the man, his taste, and his intelligence. He hand-selected and inspired some of the best engineers and designers in the industry, and you could clearly see that he knew what he was talking about when he spoke in public or about his products. > Nobody gets lucky this many times in a row. If you have enough money and hubris, a whole lot of things will work out for you.

shepherdjerred 3y ago
They only had those fond recollections many years after their experiences, after working on products that were ultimately very successful. I don't know that much about Musk, but I could imagine that some of his employees will look back at their time at Tesla/SpaceX fondly (provided that both ventures work out in the long-term)
_gabe_ 3y ago
> It is true, however, that Jobs was hot tempered, could easily start shouting at his employees and calling their work shit, and reduce them to tears. But he was not just cruel and brutal: he could also be a total charmer and make his colleagues feel like geniuses (this is how he hired most of them actually). While at NeXT, his employees dubbed this swift change of attitude "Steve's hero/shithead roller-coaster", a nice metaphor for the binary view with which Jobs described the world, and how he treated his fellow staff https://allaboutstevejobs.com/persona/steve_at_work#:~:text=Most%20colleagues%20of%20Jobs%20described,it%20had%20to%20be%20perfect https://allaboutstevejobs.com/persona/steve_at_work#:~:text=.... Doesn’t sound like everyone had fond recollections.
- archagon 3y ago
  I certainly did not mean to imply that everyone had good experiences with Jobs. Just that the Apple old guard seems to have more fond recollections of the man than not.