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#4 is the feedback loop that enables rapid improvement. Long as the experiments aren't life-threatening, are you really proposing that they only test new ideas
by generalizations 2y ago
#4 is the feedback loop that enables rapid improvement. Long as the experiments aren't life-threatening, are you really proposing that they only test new ideas in fake limited artificial environments, rather than in real-world environments where they can encounter the full scope of possible failure modes?
- RaftPeople 2y ago> Long as the experiments aren't life-threatening, are you really proposing that they only test new ideas in fake limited artificial environments, rather than in real-world environments where they can encounter the full scope of possible failure modes? Are people good at reliably determining which experiments are life-threatening? Especially when those people are under pressure to move fast?
- eropple 2y agoWhen it comes to multi-ton death machines, selling something you don't know is safe is the same thing as selling something you know isn't safe.
- redavni 2y agoSo why do we sell cars at all? They are the 3rd leading cause of death since before Elon Musk and yourself were born.
- eropple 2y agoI don't understand the motivation behind such a question. We sell cars because the benefits to motor transportation outweigh the safety risks in aggregate. That aggregate tradeoff is nonresponsive to the singular case of YOLOing avoidable risks on a Tesla.
- coldbrewed 2y agoThere's a difference between selling a multi-ton vehicle that has crumple zones and curved lines and selling a multi-ton vehicle that is designed to tenderize pedestrian rib cages. This comment also applies to today's pickups and SUVs; but while those vehicles are pretty nightmarish for the safety pedestrians and other drivers the CT is a further escalation of matters through both design and build quality.
- aeternum 2y agoNo one knows what is safe, those that purport to know exactly what is safe are the most dangerous. Safety is the new snakeoil. Add just a drop and a sprinkle of "think of the children" and you can sell your BS to anyone.
- eropple 2y agoYeah! How could you know anything really, you know? It's just impossible to know that you should securely affix, and test the security of, the cover of an accelerator pedal on a motor vehicle. There's no prior art to accelerator pedals and no examples of what happens when you make a bad one. Or, you know, the other thing.
- 7952 2y agoIt is perfectly fine to sell a dangerous product as long as the people exposed to it have consented in an informed way.
- brokenmachine 2y agoI would hereby like to revoke consent for Tesla fans "Fully Self Driving" their deathtraps on public roads that I use.
- aeternum 2y agoYou are probably a worse driver than Tesla FSD, I'd like to revoke consent for you to use the public road.
- brokenmachine 2y agoI took a test, which I passed, and I haven't been wirelessly updated since that test. I also haven't had a phantom braking incident yet.
- yndoendo 2y agoNumber of European countries require safety to be engineered into the product. Example, where I work, a machine in automation had a risk assessment that it produced 1600 newtons of clamping force, same biting force of an adult panda, could take off limbs. This machine could be sold in the USA and not the Europe. Re-engineered to be safe and sold in Europe, machine cannot even take off a finger. USA is poorly regulated to keep operators safe. Designing for European mark means you can market safer than the competition in USA and sell in Europe at the same time. This also remove the need to build in safety guards or use light curtains. Which one would you or your family members like to use day-in day-out, the 1600 newton limb remover built on USA standards or the one built around safety for Europe?