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Cars are not software, and it's ethically and morally wrong to test them in production. Musk is playing games he doesn't understand, and wagering other people'
by CptFribble 2y ago
Cars are not software, and it's ethically and morally wrong to test them in production.
Musk is playing games he doesn't understand, and wagering other people's lives to do it. He should at minimum understand that he has many, many fans who trust that he knows what he's doing, and will not expect Tesla's products to be cutting corners on safety and testing because "simpler is better" and "move fast and break things."
There are ways to find optimizations without removing a bunch of stuff and just shipping it like that to the general public: it's called engineering.
If Musk really wants to find ways to optimize the concept of a car further, he'll have to give up on point #4 and accept that it's going to take a lot of test cycles to figure out what works and what doesn't. Rushing out half-baked concepts that are likely missing key safety features because "let's see what happens" is exactly the kind of braindead approach to engineering management that is keeping me approximately 10,000 miles from anything Musk is in charge of.
- generalizations 2y ago#4 is the feedback loop that enables rapid improvement. Long as the experiments aren't life-threatening, are you really proposing that they only test new ideas in fake limited artificial environments, rather than in real-world environments where they can encounter the full scope of possible failure modes?
- RaftPeople 2y ago> Long as the experiments aren't life-threatening, are you really proposing that they only test new ideas in fake limited artificial environments, rather than in real-world environments where they can encounter the full scope of possible failure modes? Are people good at reliably determining which experiments are life-threatening? Especially when those people are under pressure to move fast?
- eropple 2y agoWhen it comes to multi-ton death machines, selling something you don't know is safe is the same thing as selling something you know isn't safe.
- redavni 2y agoSo why do we sell cars at all? They are the 3rd leading cause of death since before Elon Musk and yourself were born.
- eropple 2y agoI don't understand the motivation behind such a question. We sell cars because the benefits to motor transportation outweigh the safety risks in aggregate. That aggregate tradeoff is nonresponsive to the singular case of YOLOing avoidable risks on a Tesla.
- coldbrewed 2y agoThere's a difference between selling a multi-ton vehicle that has crumple zones and curved lines and selling a multi-ton vehicle that is designed to tenderize pedestrian rib cages. This comment also applies to today's pickups and SUVs; but while those vehicles are pretty nightmarish for the safety pedestrians and other drivers the CT is a further escalation of matters through both design and build quality.
- aeternum 2y agoNo one knows what is safe, those that purport to know exactly what is safe are the most dangerous. Safety is the new snakeoil. Add just a drop and a sprinkle of "think of the children" and you can sell your BS to anyone.
- eropple 2y agoYeah! How could you know anything really, you know? It's just impossible to know that you should securely affix, and test the security of, the cover of an accelerator pedal on a motor vehicle. There's no prior art to accelerator pedals and no examples of what happens when you make a bad one. Or, you know, the other thing.
- 7952 2y agoIt is perfectly fine to sell a dangerous product as long as the people exposed to it have consented in an informed way.