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> Not because of race, but because of cultural socialization, which persists for generations even in a new host country Citation needed. Especially for the "ge

> Not because of race, but because of cultural socialization, which persists for generations even in a new host country Citation needed. Especially for the "generations". From your own example, you seem pretty well-integrated into mainstream American culture only one generation down. My personal thesis is that some countries are really good at absorbing and integrating immigrants, and they see the benefits. America is exceptional at it, possibly the best in the world.

skissane 3y ago
> America is exceptional at it, possibly the best in the world. Is the US actually better at absorbing immigrants than Canada, the UK, Australia, New Zealand? I’m unconvinced.
xyzzyz 3y ago
For citation, I recommend a book by Garret Jones, “The Culture Transplant: How Migrants Make the Economies They Move To a Lot Like the Ones They Left” https://www.amazon.com/Culture-Transplant-Migrants-Make-Economies/dp/1503632946 https://www.amazon.com/Culture-Transplant-Migrants-Make-Econ...
- forgingahead 3y ago
  Hilarious that the person you're replying to had their smug reddit "CITATION NEEDED" gotcha-attempt, and when you and rayiner provided some, I see nothing but downvotes. I can hear the reeee'ing from here.
rayiner 3y ago
> Citation needed. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S016517652300304X https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S01651... ("Under this model, immigrants do not fully assimilate; rather, they transmit certain old-country values and behaviors to their descendants in the new country. Empirical support for culture transplant varies depending on the particular trait in question. Social trust, for example, shows strong evidence of transplant over different time periods and in many different countries.... the results suggest that a 'transplant' does occur in the U.S., as a strong relationship exists between individual savings and ancestral savings rates. The relationship is robust to a variety of specifications. In a midrange estimate, a 1 percentage-point increase in ancestral-country savings rates is associated with a 1 percent increase in retirement savings among second-generation immigrants.") > From your own example, you seem pretty well-integrated into mainstream American culture only one generation down. Only superficially, despite coming from a very westernized family in a former british colony. There's an enormous gap in "deep culture" between me and my wife's family and my wife and her family (who came here before the American revolution from Britain). You think you're well-assimilated until your kid wants to "express themselves" and you realize you abhor how Americans raise their kids, interact with their families, view the world, etc.
- triceratops 3y ago
  That study is solely about savings behaviors and only to the second generation. I don't have access to the paper so I couldn't see their methodology. I also have so many questions (not expecting you to answer, just stuff that popped up in my mind). Is there a proposed mechanism of action? Has the effect gotten stronger over time as communications have improved and immigrants can better keep in touch with their homeland? Or is it coincidental, and more a function of changing economic conditions? Did 4th or 5th generation Americans also start saving more in the same period? What about immigrants from countries where the savings rate reduced? You were generalizing about a range of cultural behaviors, and for several generations. > You think you're well-assimilated until your kid wants to "express themselves" and you realize you abhor how Americans raise their kids There is no single "American method" for raising kids, even among populations that have lived here for many generations. Compare rural Utah to the Bay Area or to suburban Dallas and you'll likely find stark differences.
  - rayiner 3y ago
    > That study is solely about savings behaviors and only to the second generation The article discusses other traits that are passed on, such as social trust (which is specifically discussed in what I quoted). Here’s a book on it: https://www.sup.org/books/title/?id=35594 https://www.sup.org/books/title/?id=35594
    - triceratops 3y ago
      The study you linked references other studies that suggest social trust was passed on in other countries. The study itself only focuses on savings in the US.

skissane 3y ago

> America is exceptional at it, possibly the best in the world. Is the US actually better at absorbing immigrants than Canada, the UK, Australia, New Zealand? I’m unconvinced.

xyzzyz 3y ago

For citation, I recommend a book by Garret Jones, “The Culture Transplant: How Migrants Make the Economies They Move To a Lot Like the Ones They Left” https://www.amazon.com/Culture-Transplant-Migrants-Make-Economies/dp/1503632946 https://www.amazon.com/Culture-Transplant-Migrants-Make-Econ...

forgingahead 3y ago
Hilarious that the person you're replying to had their smug reddit "CITATION NEEDED" gotcha-attempt, and when you and rayiner provided some, I see nothing but downvotes. I can hear the reeee'ing from here.

rayiner 3y ago

> Citation needed. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S016517652300304X https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S01651... ("Under this model, immigrants do not fully assimilate; rather, they transmit certain old-country values and behaviors to their descendants in the new country. Empirical support for culture transplant varies depending on the particular trait in question. Social trust, for example, shows strong evidence of transplant over different time periods and in many different countries.... the results suggest that a 'transplant' does occur in the U.S., as a strong relationship exists between individual savings and ancestral savings rates. The relationship is robust to a variety of specifications. In a midrange estimate, a 1 percentage-point increase in ancestral-country savings rates is associated with a 1 percent increase in retirement savings among second-generation immigrants.") > From your own example, you seem pretty well-integrated into mainstream American culture only one generation down. Only superficially, despite coming from a very westernized family in a former british colony. There's an enormous gap in "deep culture" between me and my wife's family and my wife and her family (who came here before the American revolution from Britain). You think you're well-assimilated until your kid wants to "express themselves" and you realize you abhor how Americans raise their kids, interact with their families, view the world, etc.

triceratops 3y ago
That study is solely about savings behaviors and only to the second generation. I don't have access to the paper so I couldn't see their methodology. I also have so many questions (not expecting you to answer, just stuff that popped up in my mind). Is there a proposed mechanism of action? Has the effect gotten stronger over time as communications have improved and immigrants can better keep in touch with their homeland? Or is it coincidental, and more a function of changing economic conditions? Did 4th or 5th generation Americans also start saving more in the same period? What about immigrants from countries where the savings rate reduced? You were generalizing about a range of cultural behaviors, and for several generations. > You think you're well-assimilated until your kid wants to "express themselves" and you realize you abhor how Americans raise their kids There is no single "American method" for raising kids, even among populations that have lived here for many generations. Compare rural Utah to the Bay Area or to suburban Dallas and you'll likely find stark differences.
- rayiner 3y ago
  > That study is solely about savings behaviors and only to the second generation The article discusses other traits that are passed on, such as social trust (which is specifically discussed in what I quoted). Here’s a book on it: https://www.sup.org/books/title/?id=35594 https://www.sup.org/books/title/?id=35594
  - triceratops 3y ago
    The study you linked references other studies that suggest social trust was passed on in other countries. The study itself only focuses on savings in the US.