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I may not be part of the collective here, but I find it within the realm of acceptable that a $30,000 car would have issues that should absolutely not be presen

I may not be part of the collective here, but I find it within the realm of acceptable that a $30,000 car would have issues that should absolutely not be present on a $100,000 car. I don't see Porsche's, Hellcat's, and BMW's having issues with something that has been a resolved non-issue for decades at this point.

rascul 3y ago
BMW has recently had a lot of issues over years with some PCV valve setups. Looks like they've recalled almost 1 million vehicles and have tried multiple times to address the issue. https://bimmers.com/blog/pcv-valve-heater-recall-explained/ https://bimmers.com/blog/pcv-valve-heater-recall-explained/ I don't know enough if that meets your requirement of "something that has been a resolved non-issue for decades at this point" but it's something that BMW has apparently been trying and failing to fix for awhile now.
- notaustinpowers 3y ago
  A valve for emissions is a fuck up, but not kind of fuck that that's the poorly made fake metal accelerator covers in a $100,000+ car can fall off and unintentionally accelerate the vehicle (which can go 0-60 in 3.9s) to a top speed on 112MPH, that's also made out of stainless steel that will destroy anything it hits, including you. I have higher expectations for my poorly made death machines.
SketchySeaBeast 3y ago
I think there's a floor for what should be acceptable at any price point. Rapid and unintended acceleration is below said floor.
mort96 3y ago
You're demonstrating the problem with speaking overly generally. I too "find it within the realm of acceptable that a $30,000 car would have issues that should absolutely not be present on a $100,000 car". If, say, a plastic piece on the dashboard tends to develop an unsightly crack over time, that's more ok for a $30k car than for a $100k car. But some design issues should be present on no car; not a $30k car, not a $100k car, not a $5k car. "The car sometimes accelerates on its own" is one of these.
- notaustinpowers 3y ago
  You're absolutely right, it is unacceptable for any car to unintentionally accelerate. But one of these issues being "our cheap floor mats move" when compared to "our $100,000 truck's fake pedal covers are made so cheaply that they break" showcases this disparity a helluva lot more.
  - mort96 3y ago
    It's certainly more embarrassing for the $100k car than for the $30k car, but neither is "within the realm of acceptable".
    - notaustinpowers 3y ago
      True, I misspoke regarding "within the realm of acceptable". That's on me
- hermitdev 3y ago
  I have a hellcat redeye, approximately one of your $100k cars. I've thoroughly enjoyed the car in the nearly 2 years I've owned it. But, I'm barely over 6,000 miles, and I've killed 2 batteries and just had the starter replaced and a loose ground (fixed/replaced under warranty). The loose ground may not have been a factory defect: I had to have the wiring harness replaced after some rodents chewed through some of the wiring...
  - FireBeyond 3y ago
    Dodge probably also isn't a paragon of quality. And I will preface this by saying that Audi isn't without fault either, but my also $100Kish RS 5 has in two years had two issues: a battery failure (determined to be a battery fault, not a vehicle fault), and improper drainage in one of the doors, leading to an accumulation of water, that had a tech advisory to add an additional drainage hole.

rascul 3y ago

BMW has recently had a lot of issues over years with some PCV valve setups. Looks like they've recalled almost 1 million vehicles and have tried multiple times to address the issue. https://bimmers.com/blog/pcv-valve-heater-recall-explained/ https://bimmers.com/blog/pcv-valve-heater-recall-explained/ I don't know enough if that meets your requirement of "something that has been a resolved non-issue for decades at this point" but it's something that BMW has apparently been trying and failing to fix for awhile now.

notaustinpowers 3y ago
A valve for emissions is a fuck up, but not kind of fuck that that's the poorly made fake metal accelerator covers in a $100,000+ car can fall off and unintentionally accelerate the vehicle (which can go 0-60 in 3.9s) to a top speed on 112MPH, that's also made out of stainless steel that will destroy anything it hits, including you. I have higher expectations for my poorly made death machines.

SketchySeaBeast 3y ago

I think there's a floor for what should be acceptable at any price point. Rapid and unintended acceleration is below said floor.

mort96 3y ago

You're demonstrating the problem with speaking overly generally. I too "find it within the realm of acceptable that a $30,000 car would have issues that should absolutely not be present on a $100,000 car". If, say, a plastic piece on the dashboard tends to develop an unsightly crack over time, that's more ok for a $30k car than for a $100k car. But some design issues should be present on no car; not a $30k car, not a $100k car, not a $5k car. "The car sometimes accelerates on its own" is one of these.

notaustinpowers 3y ago
You're absolutely right, it is unacceptable for any car to unintentionally accelerate. But one of these issues being "our cheap floor mats move" when compared to "our $100,000 truck's fake pedal covers are made so cheaply that they break" showcases this disparity a helluva lot more.
- mort96 3y ago
  It's certainly more embarrassing for the $100k car than for the $30k car, but neither is "within the realm of acceptable".
  - notaustinpowers 3y ago
    True, I misspoke regarding "within the realm of acceptable". That's on me
hermitdev 3y ago
I have a hellcat redeye, approximately one of your $100k cars. I've thoroughly enjoyed the car in the nearly 2 years I've owned it. But, I'm barely over 6,000 miles, and I've killed 2 batteries and just had the starter replaced and a loose ground (fixed/replaced under warranty). The loose ground may not have been a factory defect: I had to have the wiring harness replaced after some rodents chewed through some of the wiring...
- FireBeyond 3y ago
  Dodge probably also isn't a paragon of quality. And I will preface this by saying that Audi isn't without fault either, but my also $100Kish RS 5 has in two years had two issues: a battery failure (determined to be a battery fault, not a vehicle fault), and improper drainage in one of the doors, leading to an accumulation of water, that had a tech advisory to add an additional drainage hole.