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Nearly every modern car is some sort of cover over the actual pedal. This is just an extremely poor design

by SkyPuncher 3y ago

formerly_proven 3y ago
On a lot of lower-cost cars the accelerator is a single piece of injection-molded plastic.
- SkyPuncher 3y ago
  Don't most of them still have a rubber cover on top of that injection-molded plastic?
  - formerly_proven 3y ago
    I guess that depends on the exact trim/price level we're talking about but it's certainly not uncommon: https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/ywkAAOSwDqljZQzH/s-l1600.jpg https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/ywkAAOSwDqljZQzH/s-l1600.jpg
Der_Einzige 3y ago
Bullshit. 2017 RX 450h f sport, fully aluminum pedal, no cover. MSRP was also lower for it, even accounting for inflation, compared to the cybertruck. Downvoters need to explain why they are downvoting my post pointing out that a cheaper Lexus doesn't have this issue.
- dev_tty01 3y ago
  I don't think you are being downvoted for "pointing out that a cheaper Lexus doesn't have this issue." The downvote is likely for being rude about it. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- SkyPuncher 3y ago
  While I didn't spell this out, luxury sports models are just about the one exception to the rule. Lexus is a luxury brand and that is a sports model. Most vehicles are not luxury or sports models so my statement is still accurate. --- EDIT: Looking up replacement parts, Toyota and Lexus uses a "stud" style pedal that's bolted into the accelerator at the floor. In this case a "cover" isn't really applicable. Many vehicle use a style similar to Ford's: https://parts.ford.com/shop/en/us/engine/other-engine-parts/pedal-brake-p-ml3z2455e?pdp=y https://parts.ford.com/shop/en/us/engine/other-engine-parts/... This is essentially a metal arm with a small cover attached to it. EDIT 2: Just grabbing a bit of ancedata to support my internal data. * GM uses a pedal with a plate in the Escalade: https://www.gmpartsdirect.com/oem-parts/gm-accelerator-pedal-with-bracket-15821777?c=bD0xNyZuPVNlYXJjaCBSZXN1bHRzJmE9Y2FkaWxsYWMmbz1lc2NhbGFkZSZ5PTIwMjMmdD1zcG9ydCZlPTYtMmwtdjgtZ2Fz https://www.gmpartsdirect.com/oem-parts/gm-accelerator-pedal... I also know I've had this style on many other GM vehicles I and my family have owned. * Hyundai use the arm with a cover: https://www.partshyundai.com/oem-parts/hyundai-sport-pedals-at-f2f05ak102?c=bD00Jm49RHluYW1pYyBTRU8gUGFnZQ%3D%3D https://www.partshyundai.com/oem-parts/hyundai-sport-pedals-... * BMW uses a floor based pedal with a cover: https://www.bimmerworld.com/BMW-Interior/BMW-Pedals/Accelerator-Throttle-Pedal-Assembly-35426786282-E46-M3-330i-330Ci-325i-325C-More.html https://www.bimmerworld.com/BMW-Interior/BMW-Pedals/Accelera... * Mercedes uses a similar floor based pedal with cover: https://www.bimmerworld.com/BMW-Interior/BMW-Pedals/Accelerator-Throttle-Pedal-Assembly-35426786282-E46-M3-330i-330Ci-325i-325C-More.html https://www.bimmerworld.com/BMW-Interior/BMW-Pedals/Accelera... * Chrysler uses an arm with a cover on many vehicles: https://store.mopar.com/oem-parts/mopar-pedal-kit-82211154ab https://store.mopar.com/oem-parts/mopar-pedal-kit-82211154ab * Honda uses an arm with a cover on many vehicles: https://www.hondapartsnow.com/genuine/honda~pedal~set~sport~m~t~08u74-t5a-100a.html https://www.hondapartsnow.com/genuine/honda~pedal~set~sport~... In fact, I think you might have the only manufacturer that actually doesn't use a cover. Likely in response to their pedal scandal as older Toyota models use an arm with a cover.
- mikem69 3y ago
  Because Lexus had to justify the F-Sport package which added zero performance improvements, so they bolted on some shiny metal. The 2017 RX (and even the latest RX) is about a decade behind in technology compared to Tesla & the German manufacturers. When you invest very little into R&D, you can afford to add shiny metal bits.

Nearly every modern car is some sort of cover over the actual pedal. This is just an extremely poor design

formerly_proven 3y ago

On a lot of lower-cost cars the accelerator is a single piece of injection-molded plastic.

SkyPuncher 3y ago
Don't most of them still have a rubber cover on top of that injection-molded plastic?
- formerly_proven 3y ago
  I guess that depends on the exact trim/price level we're talking about but it's certainly not uncommon: https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/ywkAAOSwDqljZQzH/s-l1600.jpg https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/ywkAAOSwDqljZQzH/s-l1600.jpg

Der_Einzige 3y ago

Bullshit. 2017 RX 450h f sport, fully aluminum pedal, no cover. MSRP was also lower for it, even accounting for inflation, compared to the cybertruck. Downvoters need to explain why they are downvoting my post pointing out that a cheaper Lexus doesn't have this issue.

dev_tty01 3y ago
I don't think you are being downvoted for "pointing out that a cheaper Lexus doesn't have this issue." The downvote is likely for being rude about it. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
SkyPuncher 3y ago
While I didn't spell this out, luxury sports models are just about the one exception to the rule. Lexus is a luxury brand and that is a sports model. Most vehicles are not luxury or sports models so my statement is still accurate. --- EDIT: Looking up replacement parts, Toyota and Lexus uses a "stud" style pedal that's bolted into the accelerator at the floor. In this case a "cover" isn't really applicable. Many vehicle use a style similar to Ford's: https://parts.ford.com/shop/en/us/engine/other-engine-parts/pedal-brake-p-ml3z2455e?pdp=y https://parts.ford.com/shop/en/us/engine/other-engine-parts/... This is essentially a metal arm with a small cover attached to it. EDIT 2: Just grabbing a bit of ancedata to support my internal data. * GM uses a pedal with a plate in the Escalade: https://www.gmpartsdirect.com/oem-parts/gm-accelerator-pedal-with-bracket-15821777?c=bD0xNyZuPVNlYXJjaCBSZXN1bHRzJmE9Y2FkaWxsYWMmbz1lc2NhbGFkZSZ5PTIwMjMmdD1zcG9ydCZlPTYtMmwtdjgtZ2Fz https://www.gmpartsdirect.com/oem-parts/gm-accelerator-pedal... I also know I've had this style on many other GM vehicles I and my family have owned. * Hyundai use the arm with a cover: https://www.partshyundai.com/oem-parts/hyundai-sport-pedals-at-f2f05ak102?c=bD00Jm49RHluYW1pYyBTRU8gUGFnZQ%3D%3D https://www.partshyundai.com/oem-parts/hyundai-sport-pedals-... * BMW uses a floor based pedal with a cover: https://www.bimmerworld.com/BMW-Interior/BMW-Pedals/Accelerator-Throttle-Pedal-Assembly-35426786282-E46-M3-330i-330Ci-325i-325C-More.html https://www.bimmerworld.com/BMW-Interior/BMW-Pedals/Accelera... * Mercedes uses a similar floor based pedal with cover: https://www.bimmerworld.com/BMW-Interior/BMW-Pedals/Accelerator-Throttle-Pedal-Assembly-35426786282-E46-M3-330i-330Ci-325i-325C-More.html https://www.bimmerworld.com/BMW-Interior/BMW-Pedals/Accelera... * Chrysler uses an arm with a cover on many vehicles: https://store.mopar.com/oem-parts/mopar-pedal-kit-82211154ab https://store.mopar.com/oem-parts/mopar-pedal-kit-82211154ab * Honda uses an arm with a cover on many vehicles: https://www.hondapartsnow.com/genuine/honda~pedal~set~sport~m~t~08u74-t5a-100a.html https://www.hondapartsnow.com/genuine/honda~pedal~set~sport~... In fact, I think you might have the only manufacturer that actually doesn't use a cover. Likely in response to their pedal scandal as older Toyota models use an arm with a cover.
mikem69 3y ago
Because Lexus had to justify the F-Sport package which added zero performance improvements, so they bolted on some shiny metal. The 2017 RX (and even the latest RX) is about a decade behind in technology compared to Tesla & the German manufacturers. When you invest very little into R&D, you can afford to add shiny metal bits.