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For a forum where people proud themselves on being logical and rational, I find it quite hilarious that when it comes to identity politics and Musk, all rationa

For a forum where people proud themselves on being logical and rational, I find it quite hilarious that when it comes to identity politics and Musk, all rationality, thought and reason goes out the window. Look, there are plenty of CEOs who's politics I don't agree with (in fact there are more than a few) but: 1. I don't go on the roof and shout that they should be "silenced" because _I_ have somehow concluded that they are idiots because their views don't align with mine and 2. I don't judge their technology or service based on whether they support my favorite political candidate. So if you are not purchasing a Tesla because of Musk congratulations but I suggest you also start boycotting all other CEO's who has a view you don't like, otherwise it will just make you a hypocrite. Presenting not purchasing a Tesla, a green technology which is actually good for the planet, in the name of politics as an act of martyrdom isn't impressive. People here hate on Musk, yet they worship a known scammer like Altman. I hope the irony is not lost on everyone.

taylodl 3y ago
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ceejayoz 3y ago
> I don't go on the roof and shout that they should be "silenced"... You're mixing up "I think they should shut up (and until they do, I'll vote with my money)" and "I think they should be forcibly silenced" here.
Solvency 3y ago
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jstummbillig 3y ago
It's probably not lost on everyone, but assuming any irony at all here is a tall order.
cvz 3y ago
That isn't accurately representing everyone's opinion. There's a difference between "Musk should be silenced" and "Musk should be silent". One of them is a request directed to whatever sort of people might censor him, the other is a request directed to Musk himself. There's more reasons to avoid Musk than just his politics (though that's certainly a part of it). There's his habit of publicly making tasteless remarks, his treatment of employees, and his broken promises to customers, to name a few. Most people I've seen decide not to buy a Tesla because of Musk aren't acting like they've made some big sacrifice. At most, it's been "I wish I could buy one, but don't want to support him." Characterizing that as martyrdom is ridiculous. Saying someone should ignore the people behind a product when deciding whether to buy it is also ridiculous. Yes, a lot of people do this in practice because they don't know who's behind the products they buy, or because they don't have a choice. But they do know who Musk is because he's so public, and they have so many other options. I'm with you on the Altman thing. I've seen people on this forum worship all sorts of characters. Musk was one of those characters at one point. If you meant that as an indictment of this forum, it absolutely is, but the hate on Musk isn't the irrational part.
zero-sharp 3y ago
The parent doesn't want to support the business because of the owner. I don't see anything about political silencing or casting a judgment on the technology. Where does he talk about silencing Musk? Where does he criticize the technology? >So if you are not purchasing a Tesla because of Musk congratulations but I suggest you also start boycotting all other CEO's who has a view you don't like, otherwise it will just make you a hypocrite. People are free to choose what businesses they support. At the same time, I'm sure there's a certain amount of practical decision making that has to happen to meet one's needs. You can _choose_ to think of it as hypocrisy, but it's also just being practical. Not that I'm even agreeing with the decision making of the parent. I just think your post is a ridiculous overreaction.
ta1243 3y ago
I have no idea who the CEO of Chrysler or Ford are, let alone what their political view is (I assume they are in favour of tax breaks for billionaires). Hell I don't really know what Bezos or Cook's view are, they certainly aren't part of Amazon or Apple. Musk made Tesla an inseparable part of the Musk brand (so like Bezos and Amazon, or Gates and Microsoft), and then thus every rant he makes is inextricably linked to Tesla. Interestingly, as Gates mostly retired form Microsoft decades ago, he's been a bit more known -- he does charitable stuff with malaria, and Musk powered outlets claim he's giving everyone free 5g. Both are great things. I'm sure you could dig into bad things, but Gates isn't linked to Microsoft in the way Musk is linked to Tesla
JohnBooty 3y ago
Saying that his views are dumb, or that he should shut up, is not remotely the same as denying his right to express those views. This seems to be a willful conflation. You can't truly think those are the same thing? "I don't like Musk so I will vote with my money and spend it elsewhere" is like the absolute pinnacle of free market economics.

taylodl 3y ago

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ceejayoz 3y ago

> I don't go on the roof and shout that they should be "silenced"... You're mixing up "I think they should shut up (and until they do, I'll vote with my money)" and "I think they should be forcibly silenced" here.

Solvency 3y ago

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jstummbillig 3y ago

It's probably not lost on everyone, but assuming any irony at all here is a tall order.

cvz 3y ago

That isn't accurately representing everyone's opinion. There's a difference between "Musk should be silenced" and "Musk should be silent". One of them is a request directed to whatever sort of people might censor him, the other is a request directed to Musk himself. There's more reasons to avoid Musk than just his politics (though that's certainly a part of it). There's his habit of publicly making tasteless remarks, his treatment of employees, and his broken promises to customers, to name a few. Most people I've seen decide not to buy a Tesla because of Musk aren't acting like they've made some big sacrifice. At most, it's been "I wish I could buy one, but don't want to support him." Characterizing that as martyrdom is ridiculous. Saying someone should ignore the people behind a product when deciding whether to buy it is also ridiculous. Yes, a lot of people do this in practice because they don't know who's behind the products they buy, or because they don't have a choice. But they do know who Musk is because he's so public, and they have so many other options. I'm with you on the Altman thing. I've seen people on this forum worship all sorts of characters. Musk was one of those characters at one point. If you meant that as an indictment of this forum, it absolutely is, but the hate on Musk isn't the irrational part.

zero-sharp 3y ago

The parent doesn't want to support the business because of the owner. I don't see anything about political silencing or casting a judgment on the technology. Where does he talk about silencing Musk? Where does he criticize the technology? >So if you are not purchasing a Tesla because of Musk congratulations but I suggest you also start boycotting all other CEO's who has a view you don't like, otherwise it will just make you a hypocrite. People are free to choose what businesses they support. At the same time, I'm sure there's a certain amount of practical decision making that has to happen to meet one's needs. You can _choose_ to think of it as hypocrisy, but it's also just being practical. Not that I'm even agreeing with the decision making of the parent. I just think your post is a ridiculous overreaction.

ta1243 3y ago

I have no idea who the CEO of Chrysler or Ford are, let alone what their political view is (I assume they are in favour of tax breaks for billionaires). Hell I don't really know what Bezos or Cook's view are, they certainly aren't part of Amazon or Apple. Musk made Tesla an inseparable part of the Musk brand (so like Bezos and Amazon, or Gates and Microsoft), and then thus every rant he makes is inextricably linked to Tesla. Interestingly, as Gates mostly retired form Microsoft decades ago, he's been a bit more known -- he does charitable stuff with malaria, and Musk powered outlets claim he's giving everyone free 5g. Both are great things. I'm sure you could dig into bad things, but Gates isn't linked to Microsoft in the way Musk is linked to Tesla

JohnBooty 3y ago

Saying that his views are dumb, or that he should shut up, is not remotely the same as denying his right to express those views. This seems to be a willful conflation. You can't truly think those are the same thing? "I don't like Musk so I will vote with my money and spend it elsewhere" is like the absolute pinnacle of free market economics.