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This is the same Germany who recently “halved” their plastic waste numbers by attaching milk bottle caps to the actual bottles so they’re counted as a single pi

This is the same Germany who recently “halved” their plastic waste numbers by attaching milk bottle caps to the actual bottles so they’re counted as a single piece of waste instead of two… None of it is about the environment.

sofixa 3y ago
> This is the same Germany who recently “halved” their plastic waste numbers by attaching milk bottle caps to the actual bottles so they’re counted as a single piece of waste instead of two… Do you have any sources discussing this? Most waste numbers I've seen from France (where I live) and the EU are in volume or weight, neither of which will be affected by the caps remaining attached to bottles (which is an EU-wide thing IIRC).
- Ringz 3y ago
  That is simply a lie. And these are probably accounts for opinion making. It is an EU-wide regulation from 2019, which is now being implemented by all EU states [0]. In addition, the way in which plastic waste is counted is also prescribed throughout the EU [1]. [0]: https://eur-lex.europa.eu/eli/dir/2019/904/oj https://eur-lex.europa.eu/eli/dir/2019/904/oj [1]: https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=CELEX%3A32023D2683&qid=1713185201801 https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=CELEX%3A...
  - dkekenflxlf 3y ago
    ahh since i just poured a massive amount of milk onto the table, exactly due to this - what are you talking about? This reg is in place, now.
    - Ringz 3y ago
      You didn't read my linked sources, otherwise you would have recognized which part of the statement I'm referring to.
FinnKuhn 3y ago
my milk bottle caps (in Germany) are not attached to anything?
- Ringz 3y ago
  They are. See my other comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40039932 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40039932
  - FinnKuhn 3y ago
    As far as I can see this is only for "single-use plastic beverage bottles" and not milk cartons. I have seen the attached caps on Cola bottles for example, but neither glass bottles or milk cartons.
thereddaikon 3y ago
The same Germany where the "Green party" pushed to close nuclear power plants and buy more gas from the Russians. Truly clown world.
- Ringz 3y ago
  If you look on the actual data, it's the other way around. Is this just Russian opinion making? 1. The Greens didn't push to close the nuclear power plants alone: The phase-out of nuclear energy in Germany was first regulated in the year 2000 under the red-green federal government (Schröder I Cabinet) through a contract known as the Nuclear Consensus between the Federal Republic and various operating companies. In 2002, the German Nuclear Energy Act was revised based on this contract. The Nuclear Consensus stipulated that, assuming a standard operational lifetime of about 32 years, a nuclear power plant was allowed to produce a specified "remaining electricity amount" before being decommissioned. Based on the electricity production of the individual plants in the past, the assigned remaining electricity amounts would mean that the last of the 19 German nuclear power plants would be decommissioned around 2021. Because the Nuclear Consensus allowed for the transfer of remaining electricity amounts between plants, the Stade (on November 14, 2003) and Obrigheim (on May 11, 2005) nuclear power plants were decommissioned. On October 28, 2010, the Bundestag, with a black-yellow majority under the Merkel II Cabinet, decided on a further amendment to the Nuclear Energy Act, extending the operating times of the seven facilities that started operation before 1980 by eight years each, and those of the remaining ten nuclear power plants by 14 years each. This was publicly referred to as a "reversal of the phase-out." In return, the energy companies committed to an annual payment of 300 million euros for the years 2011 and 2012, and 200 million euros annually until 2016. The funds were intended to finance the Energy and Climate Fund. Furthermore, the federal government (as announced on September 6) introduced a nuclear fuel tax of 2.3 billion euros annually for six years, from January 1, 2011, to December 31, 2016. This extension was revised in 2011 – following the onset of the Fukushima nuclear disaster. This was publicly referred to as a "reversal of the reversal of the phase-out." After the announcement of a moratorium on operating times on March 14, 2011, the operators ceased their payments to the Energy and Climate Fund. During the energy crisis following the energy conflict in 2022, the federal government allowed the continued operation of the last three nuclear power plants, Emsland, Isar 2, and Neckarwestheim 2, until mid-April 2023; this required a legislative change, as the Nuclear Energy Act of 2011 had definitively planned for a gradual phase-out by the end of 2022. In April 2023, the nuclear power plants Emsland, Isar 2, and Neckarwestheim 2 were taken offline.

sofixa 3y ago

> This is the same Germany who recently “halved” their plastic waste numbers by attaching milk bottle caps to the actual bottles so they’re counted as a single piece of waste instead of two… Do you have any sources discussing this? Most waste numbers I've seen from France (where I live) and the EU are in volume or weight, neither of which will be affected by the caps remaining attached to bottles (which is an EU-wide thing IIRC).

Ringz 3y ago
That is simply a lie. And these are probably accounts for opinion making. It is an EU-wide regulation from 2019, which is now being implemented by all EU states [0]. In addition, the way in which plastic waste is counted is also prescribed throughout the EU [1]. [0]: https://eur-lex.europa.eu/eli/dir/2019/904/oj https://eur-lex.europa.eu/eli/dir/2019/904/oj [1]: https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=CELEX%3A32023D2683&qid=1713185201801 https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=CELEX%3A...
- dkekenflxlf 3y ago
  ahh since i just poured a massive amount of milk onto the table, exactly due to this - what are you talking about? This reg is in place, now.
  - Ringz 3y ago
    You didn't read my linked sources, otherwise you would have recognized which part of the statement I'm referring to.

FinnKuhn 3y ago

my milk bottle caps (in Germany) are not attached to anything?

Ringz 3y ago
They are. See my other comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40039932 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40039932
- FinnKuhn 3y ago
  As far as I can see this is only for "single-use plastic beverage bottles" and not milk cartons. I have seen the attached caps on Cola bottles for example, but neither glass bottles or milk cartons.

thereddaikon 3y ago

The same Germany where the "Green party" pushed to close nuclear power plants and buy more gas from the Russians. Truly clown world.

Ringz 3y ago
If you look on the actual data, it's the other way around. Is this just Russian opinion making? 1. The Greens didn't push to close the nuclear power plants alone: The phase-out of nuclear energy in Germany was first regulated in the year 2000 under the red-green federal government (Schröder I Cabinet) through a contract known as the Nuclear Consensus between the Federal Republic and various operating companies. In 2002, the German Nuclear Energy Act was revised based on this contract. The Nuclear Consensus stipulated that, assuming a standard operational lifetime of about 32 years, a nuclear power plant was allowed to produce a specified "remaining electricity amount" before being decommissioned. Based on the electricity production of the individual plants in the past, the assigned remaining electricity amounts would mean that the last of the 19 German nuclear power plants would be decommissioned around 2021. Because the Nuclear Consensus allowed for the transfer of remaining electricity amounts between plants, the Stade (on November 14, 2003) and Obrigheim (on May 11, 2005) nuclear power plants were decommissioned. On October 28, 2010, the Bundestag, with a black-yellow majority under the Merkel II Cabinet, decided on a further amendment to the Nuclear Energy Act, extending the operating times of the seven facilities that started operation before 1980 by eight years each, and those of the remaining ten nuclear power plants by 14 years each. This was publicly referred to as a "reversal of the phase-out." In return, the energy companies committed to an annual payment of 300 million euros for the years 2011 and 2012, and 200 million euros annually until 2016. The funds were intended to finance the Energy and Climate Fund. Furthermore, the federal government (as announced on September 6) introduced a nuclear fuel tax of 2.3 billion euros annually for six years, from January 1, 2011, to December 31, 2016. This extension was revised in 2011 – following the onset of the Fukushima nuclear disaster. This was publicly referred to as a "reversal of the reversal of the phase-out." After the announcement of a moratorium on operating times on March 14, 2011, the operators ceased their payments to the Energy and Climate Fund. During the energy crisis following the energy conflict in 2022, the federal government allowed the continued operation of the last three nuclear power plants, Emsland, Isar 2, and Neckarwestheim 2, until mid-April 2023; this required a legislative change, as the Nuclear Energy Act of 2011 had definitively planned for a gradual phase-out by the end of 2022. In April 2023, the nuclear power plants Emsland, Isar 2, and Neckarwestheim 2 were taken offline.