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It's not even a rational decision for me. I see a Tesla, that reminds me of Musk, I feel disgust. Very different feeling from a couple of years ago where I had

It's not even a rational decision for me. I see a Tesla, that reminds me of Musk, I feel disgust. Very different feeling from a couple of years ago where I had Tesla connected with sort of futurism and luxury (being a relatively expensive car).

gitfan86 3y ago
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- quickslowdown 3y ago
  I think you're giving the media way too much credit here. Musk does a pretty great job of sidestepping his PR people to say insane, hateful, inflammatory, or just plain stupid shit. My thoughts on him come from years of hearing him tell us who he really is on a daily basis, and I'd be irritated if someone mistakenly placed responsibility for my thoughts on Musk to the media.
  - gitfan86 3y ago
    So you do understand that traditional CEOs have PR people that filter the public from their true thoughts. Did you also know that those PR people work closely with legacy media by giving extra access in exchange for favorable articles? My point isn't that you should agree with Elon's tweets, but just to ask if you know why it is that you are familiar with his thoughts but not the thoughts of CEOs of companies that you give money too.
    - quickslowdown 3y ago
      We're talking about Elon Musk specifically here, I don't know where you saw an invitation to walk in and clutch your pearls, or where you read in my reply that I think Elon Musk is the only crazy asshole CEO out there.
      - gitfan86 3y ago
        The context of the thread is people not buying Tesla because of the CEO. My point is that the people making these decisions are quite ignorant to the behavior and opinions of products that they do buy. That inconsistent buying choice behavior is interesting and I brought it up. Sorry if that makes you upset.
        quickslowdown 3y ago
        It could be the way you're talking down to me while stating obvious facts, or it might just be that I don't appreciate someone coming in here to "what about" a thing I said about one single, specific CEO, the subject of the thread and the person all these comments are about, but I'm done with this conversation.
- intev 3y ago
  > Did the NYT not do the most basic research on Elon, which would have shown his consistent history of this kind of behavior they are now criticizing him for. Twitter wasn't as big back then as it is now. Earlier all his thoughts were kept mostly to himself and social media wasn't as big. Twitter amplifies his inner thoughts. People don't seem to like it.
- ryandvm 3y ago
  > Do you think there is any chance that the legacy media has convinced you to behave this way? Bro, you can see the tweets yourself. Nobody is putting words into this guy's mouth. When people show you who they are, believe them.
- ulfw 3y ago
  "legacy media" "hit pieces" Sir, you just have to read Elon's Musks twitter account on his "X" platform which he owns. You don't need third parties to tell you what is wrong with him.
- macintux 3y ago
  "pedo guy" convinced me to behave that way, and that wasn't the legacy media's fault.
- The_Colonel 3y ago
  The most significant shift in my opinion of him happened as a result of my reading of his authorized biography (from Isaacson). I don't read much "legacy media".
- JohnBooty 3y ago
  Do you think there is any chance that the legacy media has convinced you to behave this way? If you want to suggest there's a conspiracy involving the mainstream media's coverage of Musk, you'd need to point out some comparable CEOs who behaved similarly and were ignored or covered differently. I don't think you can, because Musk is so singular. He runs multiple cutting-edge companies and has behaved very publicly in some very outlandish ways. Publicly calling people pedos, praising the alt-right, publicly smoking weed, a compelling list of actual achievements combined with an equally large list of conspicuous vaporware promises. There's nobody quite like him. Thus the coverage. What happened to liberals caring about climate change? I do not think "caring about climate change" entails ignoring some fairly spectacular public behavior from a guy making electric cars.
- nova22033 3y ago
  His tweets agreeing with Nazis convinced me. Did the NYT not do the most basic research on Elon, which would have shown his consistent history of this kind of behavior they are now criticizing him for. Ok but that's worse. You do get how that's worse, right?

gitfan86 3y ago

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quickslowdown 3y ago
I think you're giving the media way too much credit here. Musk does a pretty great job of sidestepping his PR people to say insane, hateful, inflammatory, or just plain stupid shit. My thoughts on him come from years of hearing him tell us who he really is on a daily basis, and I'd be irritated if someone mistakenly placed responsibility for my thoughts on Musk to the media.
- gitfan86 3y ago
  So you do understand that traditional CEOs have PR people that filter the public from their true thoughts. Did you also know that those PR people work closely with legacy media by giving extra access in exchange for favorable articles? My point isn't that you should agree with Elon's tweets, but just to ask if you know why it is that you are familiar with his thoughts but not the thoughts of CEOs of companies that you give money too.
  - quickslowdown 3y ago
    We're talking about Elon Musk specifically here, I don't know where you saw an invitation to walk in and clutch your pearls, or where you read in my reply that I think Elon Musk is the only crazy asshole CEO out there.
    - gitfan86 3y ago
      The context of the thread is people not buying Tesla because of the CEO. My point is that the people making these decisions are quite ignorant to the behavior and opinions of products that they do buy. That inconsistent buying choice behavior is interesting and I brought it up. Sorry if that makes you upset.
      - quickslowdown 3y ago
        It could be the way you're talking down to me while stating obvious facts, or it might just be that I don't appreciate someone coming in here to "what about" a thing I said about one single, specific CEO, the subject of the thread and the person all these comments are about, but I'm done with this conversation.
intev 3y ago
> Did the NYT not do the most basic research on Elon, which would have shown his consistent history of this kind of behavior they are now criticizing him for. Twitter wasn't as big back then as it is now. Earlier all his thoughts were kept mostly to himself and social media wasn't as big. Twitter amplifies his inner thoughts. People don't seem to like it.
ryandvm 3y ago
> Do you think there is any chance that the legacy media has convinced you to behave this way? Bro, you can see the tweets yourself. Nobody is putting words into this guy's mouth. When people show you who they are, believe them.
ulfw 3y ago
"legacy media" "hit pieces" Sir, you just have to read Elon's Musks twitter account on his "X" platform which he owns. You don't need third parties to tell you what is wrong with him.
macintux 3y ago
"pedo guy" convinced me to behave that way, and that wasn't the legacy media's fault.
The_Colonel 3y ago
The most significant shift in my opinion of him happened as a result of my reading of his authorized biography (from Isaacson). I don't read much "legacy media".
JohnBooty 3y ago
Do you think there is any chance that the legacy media has convinced you to behave this way? If you want to suggest there's a conspiracy involving the mainstream media's coverage of Musk, you'd need to point out some comparable CEOs who behaved similarly and were ignored or covered differently. I don't think you can, because Musk is so singular. He runs multiple cutting-edge companies and has behaved very publicly in some very outlandish ways. Publicly calling people pedos, praising the alt-right, publicly smoking weed, a compelling list of actual achievements combined with an equally large list of conspicuous vaporware promises. There's nobody quite like him. Thus the coverage. What happened to liberals caring about climate change? I do not think "caring about climate change" entails ignoring some fairly spectacular public behavior from a guy making electric cars.
nova22033 3y ago
His tweets agreeing with Nazis convinced me. Did the NYT not do the most basic research on Elon, which would have shown his consistent history of this kind of behavior they are now criticizing him for. Ok but that's worse. You do get how that's worse, right?