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Electric car market seems to have shifted somehow, even seems we’re seeing some backtracking regarding ICE cars as demand for EVs seems a bit stagnant. I’m stil

Electric car market seems to have shifted somehow, even seems we’re seeing some backtracking regarding ICE cars as demand for EVs seems a bit stagnant. I’m still holding out, luckily I don’t need a car as buying an EV seems like a great way to burn money now (but I guess that applies to new cars in general, prices are ridiculous).

acdha 2y ago
There's a big confound between the EVs which make sense for many buyers and the massive, expensive SUVs the manufacturers want to sell because they have such high margins. Tesla’s Cybertruck is a rich man’s toy – not good for real off-roading, tiny cargo volume, etc. – but it soaked up a ton of resources with a very complex design and there just aren’t that many people looking for a truck that expensive regardless of quality. If they’d put the same level of effort into making a sub-$30k car it would have been less of a publicity stunt but there’d be at least an order of magnitude more potential buyers and would have shipped years earlier.
- mavhc 2y ago
  Bed cargo volume: 2831 litres, Ford F-150: 2191 litres
  - acdha 2y ago
    It’s 1.8x1.2m versus 1.7x1.3m for the smallest size F-150, which has larger sizes are 2x1.3m and 2.5x1.3m.
- choko 2y ago
  I don't think that's what is holding ev back. They need to put more into battery research. They are too heavy, charge too slow, and lose capacity in cold temps. In addition, I can't find a charger within 15 or 20 min of my house, but there's probably 20 gas stations in that radius. I'll buy electric once it's not a pain in the ass.
  - acdha 2y ago
    Batteries are important, yes, but the average American drives less than 30 miles per day. You can charge that at home without a special charger. At the very least, that’s a second car alternative with much lower maintenance and no need to drive to a gas station.
  - coldpie 2y ago
    I think most of what's holding EV back is people having bad or outdated information. You don't need to drive to a charger, you use the same one you use to charge your phone: your house. Plug it in to your normal wall outlet when you get home and you'll have 100% charge every day. You only need a fancy charger for road trips. That's why there aren't a bunch near your house: you mostly don't need one at all.
    - tapoxi 2y ago
      A lot of people in urban areas don't own their own home. My brother lives in Brighton, MA. He would need to drive 15 minutes to charge at quickly a poorly rated EVGo station at a nearby mall or another 10 minutes to charge at a Level 2 which would take hours. This is a densely populated neighborhood of Boston and the options are still terrible.
      - coldpie 2y ago
        The person I was replying to said: > my house so that's what I was responding to. For people who have consistent access to an outlet in their dwelling, and don't drive their car for hundreds of miles every day (very few people do this), EV charging is a solved problem with zero changes to their home. Just plug it in. I agree multi-family dwellings are an unsolved problem. I'm not sure what the current situation there is, I do see some newer local apartment buildings in my area with EV chargers in the lots, but I'm not sure if the etiquette around that has been well-established yet. That may well be a situation where hybrids are still the best option. I expect this will be a solved problem within a decade, so for people who actively want an EV and are willing to put up with a little hassle, the situation will only improve. But I wouldn't blame someone for choosing otherwise in that situation right now today.
- tnel77 2y ago
  If someone could make a decent AWD/4WD electric truck for <$30k, I’ll be first in line to put down a deposit.
- HDThoreaun 2y ago
  There have been quite a few subcompact EVs on the american market. They have all failed. Americans dont actually want small cheap cars as shown by their buying habits.

acdha 2y ago

There's a big confound between the EVs which make sense for many buyers and the massive, expensive SUVs the manufacturers want to sell because they have such high margins. Tesla’s Cybertruck is a rich man’s toy – not good for real off-roading, tiny cargo volume, etc. – but it soaked up a ton of resources with a very complex design and there just aren’t that many people looking for a truck that expensive regardless of quality. If they’d put the same level of effort into making a sub-$30k car it would have been less of a publicity stunt but there’d be at least an order of magnitude more potential buyers and would have shipped years earlier.

mavhc 2y ago
Bed cargo volume: 2831 litres, Ford F-150: 2191 litres
- acdha 2y ago
  It’s 1.8x1.2m versus 1.7x1.3m for the smallest size F-150, which has larger sizes are 2x1.3m and 2.5x1.3m.
choko 2y ago
I don't think that's what is holding ev back. They need to put more into battery research. They are too heavy, charge too slow, and lose capacity in cold temps. In addition, I can't find a charger within 15 or 20 min of my house, but there's probably 20 gas stations in that radius. I'll buy electric once it's not a pain in the ass.
- acdha 2y ago
  Batteries are important, yes, but the average American drives less than 30 miles per day. You can charge that at home without a special charger. At the very least, that’s a second car alternative with much lower maintenance and no need to drive to a gas station.
- coldpie 2y ago
  I think most of what's holding EV back is people having bad or outdated information. You don't need to drive to a charger, you use the same one you use to charge your phone: your house. Plug it in to your normal wall outlet when you get home and you'll have 100% charge every day. You only need a fancy charger for road trips. That's why there aren't a bunch near your house: you mostly don't need one at all.
  - tapoxi 2y ago
    A lot of people in urban areas don't own their own home. My brother lives in Brighton, MA. He would need to drive 15 minutes to charge at quickly a poorly rated EVGo station at a nearby mall or another 10 minutes to charge at a Level 2 which would take hours. This is a densely populated neighborhood of Boston and the options are still terrible.
    - coldpie 2y ago
      The person I was replying to said: > my house so that's what I was responding to. For people who have consistent access to an outlet in their dwelling, and don't drive their car for hundreds of miles every day (very few people do this), EV charging is a solved problem with zero changes to their home. Just plug it in. I agree multi-family dwellings are an unsolved problem. I'm not sure what the current situation there is, I do see some newer local apartment buildings in my area with EV chargers in the lots, but I'm not sure if the etiquette around that has been well-established yet. That may well be a situation where hybrids are still the best option. I expect this will be a solved problem within a decade, so for people who actively want an EV and are willing to put up with a little hassle, the situation will only improve. But I wouldn't blame someone for choosing otherwise in that situation right now today.
tnel77 2y ago
If someone could make a decent AWD/4WD electric truck for <$30k, I’ll be first in line to put down a deposit.
HDThoreaun 2y ago
There have been quite a few subcompact EVs on the american market. They have all failed. Americans dont actually want small cheap cars as shown by their buying habits.