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same, before he really spinned off into his antics, I was really considering buying a tesla. I ended up leasing a lexus instead. Next car will be full EV, but w

same, before he really spinned off into his antics, I was really considering buying a tesla. I ended up leasing a lexus instead. Next car will be full EV, but will never get a Tesla, and it is 100% because of this man's actions.

ckdarby 2y ago
I've heard the same thing about Facebook, Twitter, LinkedIn and Tiktok. "I won't ever join those. Those are for kids. Those are weird. Why would I join them." Society rules our lives far more than people are willing to admit to themselves.
- piva00 2y ago
  Sure but I personally know 3 people in Sweden who got rid of their Teslas and won't ever purchase one again, that is from a very small anecdote but if it has happened within my very low sample size I'd guess that others are sharing a similar sentiment. Two of those are older folks, not even that connected with tech in general (or much of the internet vitriol), if Musk's bad press is reaching them it seems to me a quite generalised issue.
  - astrolx 2y ago
    The bad press is particularly bad in Sweden and was all over the main media, with Musk refusing to sign collective agreements with Tesla employees there, leading to strikes [e.g 1,2]. [1]: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/jan/10/elon-musk-sweden-unions-tesla-labour-car https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/jan/10/elon-m... [2]: http://www.nordiclabourjournal.org/i-fokus/in-focus-2023/theme-tripartite-negotiations-and-collective-agreements/article.2023-12-05.3752230341 http://www.nordiclabourjournal.org/i-fokus/in-focus-2023/the...
- roland35 2y ago
  Eh only one of those examples includes the CEO literally retweeting nazi-adjacent stuff so it's a bit easier for me to hold tight on Tesla. Even my wife who is not a big tech follower will never consider a Tesla now.
  - choko 2y ago
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    - meepmorp 2y ago
      > Musk is too conservative for you Is white replacement now just conservative ideology these days?
      - aaronbrethorst 2y ago
        yes. https://www.axios.com/local/richmond/2024/03/04/donald-trump-rallies-in-richmond-super-tuesday https://www.axios.com/local/richmond/2024/03/04/donald-trump...
      - otikik 2y ago
        It always was, since inception. https://edition.cnn.com/2022/05/20/us/replacement-theory-white-supremacist-buffalo-shooter/index.html https://edition.cnn.com/2022/05/20/us/replacement-theory-whi...
    - publius_0xf3 2y ago
      The conservative Sohrab Ahmari recently wrote a piece in which even he found Musk to be too conservative for his tastes. One of his complaints: >A popular white-nationalist account with the handle “IAmYesYouAreNo” posts a meme declaring, “You are witnessing the biggest act of cuckoldry in human history. An entire civilisation willingly giving away its land and women.” Musk quotes the post, adding in his own words, “Accurate” (he has since deleted the response). What's the mitigating context here? Can you adequately explain it for me?
      - nova22033 2y ago
        https://twitter.com/ndrew_lawrence/status/1050391663552671744?lang=en https://twitter.com/ndrew_lawrence/status/105039166355267174... Conservative: I have been censored for my conservative views Me: Holy shit! You were censored for wanting lower taxes? Con: LOL no...no not those views Me: So....deregulation? Con: Haha no not those views either Me: Which views, exactly? Con: Oh, you know the ones
- deaddodo 2y ago
  I don't have a Facebook, Twitter or TikTok. And LinkedIn exists as nothing more than a glorified resume for me. What is your point? I couldn't care less what other people do, only where my standards/beliefs lie. I can't/won't ever support Tesla due to Musk. If he didn't benefit from my purchase, I almost definitely would have done so.
- tapoxi 2y ago
  Teslas don't experience the network effect like a social network does, especially since they've opened up NACS/Supercharger to other car manufacturers.
rvz 2y ago
Thank you for your kind words. Going to inquire around getting a very cheap Tesla and hoping the stock crashes so that I can load up on more TSLA stock. Sounds like lots of ex-Tesla fans bought in when the cars were over-priced. Counter-trading HN has never been more profitable. [0] [1] [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34713073 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34713073 [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34618224 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34618224
- intev 2y ago
  Love the humblebrag. This "investing" method works until once day it doesn't. Don't get me wrong, HN is wrong a lot of times. Those two specific examples are about companies that are monopolies for all intents and purposes. Google and Meta pretty much control their primary markets. Tesla does *not* control their primary market. In fact it looks like their competitors are closing in on them very fast. No one was closing in on Google Search or Instagram/Whatsapp. The numbers never indicated that at any point in time. For tesla on the other hand... Good Luck :)

ckdarby 2y ago

I've heard the same thing about Facebook, Twitter, LinkedIn and Tiktok. "I won't ever join those. Those are for kids. Those are weird. Why would I join them." Society rules our lives far more than people are willing to admit to themselves.

piva00 2y ago
Sure but I personally know 3 people in Sweden who got rid of their Teslas and won't ever purchase one again, that is from a very small anecdote but if it has happened within my very low sample size I'd guess that others are sharing a similar sentiment. Two of those are older folks, not even that connected with tech in general (or much of the internet vitriol), if Musk's bad press is reaching them it seems to me a quite generalised issue.
- astrolx 2y ago
  The bad press is particularly bad in Sweden and was all over the main media, with Musk refusing to sign collective agreements with Tesla employees there, leading to strikes [e.g 1,2]. [1]: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/jan/10/elon-musk-sweden-unions-tesla-labour-car https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/jan/10/elon-m... [2]: http://www.nordiclabourjournal.org/i-fokus/in-focus-2023/theme-tripartite-negotiations-and-collective-agreements/article.2023-12-05.3752230341 http://www.nordiclabourjournal.org/i-fokus/in-focus-2023/the...
roland35 2y ago
Eh only one of those examples includes the CEO literally retweeting nazi-adjacent stuff so it's a bit easier for me to hold tight on Tesla. Even my wife who is not a big tech follower will never consider a Tesla now.
- choko 2y ago
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  - meepmorp 2y ago
    > Musk is too conservative for you Is white replacement now just conservative ideology these days?
    - aaronbrethorst 2y ago
      yes. https://www.axios.com/local/richmond/2024/03/04/donald-trump-rallies-in-richmond-super-tuesday https://www.axios.com/local/richmond/2024/03/04/donald-trump...
    - otikik 2y ago
      It always was, since inception. https://edition.cnn.com/2022/05/20/us/replacement-theory-white-supremacist-buffalo-shooter/index.html https://edition.cnn.com/2022/05/20/us/replacement-theory-whi...
  - publius_0xf3 2y ago
    The conservative Sohrab Ahmari recently wrote a piece in which even he found Musk to be too conservative for his tastes. One of his complaints: >A popular white-nationalist account with the handle “IAmYesYouAreNo” posts a meme declaring, “You are witnessing the biggest act of cuckoldry in human history. An entire civilisation willingly giving away its land and women.” Musk quotes the post, adding in his own words, “Accurate” (he has since deleted the response). What's the mitigating context here? Can you adequately explain it for me?
    - nova22033 2y ago
      https://twitter.com/ndrew_lawrence/status/1050391663552671744?lang=en https://twitter.com/ndrew_lawrence/status/105039166355267174... Conservative: I have been censored for my conservative views Me: Holy shit! You were censored for wanting lower taxes? Con: LOL no...no not those views Me: So....deregulation? Con: Haha no not those views either Me: Which views, exactly? Con: Oh, you know the ones
deaddodo 2y ago
I don't have a Facebook, Twitter or TikTok. And LinkedIn exists as nothing more than a glorified resume for me. What is your point? I couldn't care less what other people do, only where my standards/beliefs lie. I can't/won't ever support Tesla due to Musk. If he didn't benefit from my purchase, I almost definitely would have done so.
tapoxi 2y ago
Teslas don't experience the network effect like a social network does, especially since they've opened up NACS/Supercharger to other car manufacturers.

rvz 2y ago

Thank you for your kind words. Going to inquire around getting a very cheap Tesla and hoping the stock crashes so that I can load up on more TSLA stock. Sounds like lots of ex-Tesla fans bought in when the cars were over-priced. Counter-trading HN has never been more profitable. [0] [1] [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34713073 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34713073 [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34618224 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34618224

intev 2y ago
Love the humblebrag. This "investing" method works until once day it doesn't. Don't get me wrong, HN is wrong a lot of times. Those two specific examples are about companies that are monopolies for all intents and purposes. Google and Meta pretty much control their primary markets. Tesla does *not* control their primary market. In fact it looks like their competitors are closing in on them very fast. No one was closing in on Google Search or Instagram/Whatsapp. The numbers never indicated that at any point in time. For tesla on the other hand... Good Luck :)