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Dumping is a specific thing. Are Chinese EVs priced lower in international markets than domestically?

by __alexs 3y ago

echoangle 3y ago
Is that a requirement for dumping? Isn’t Dumping just selling at a loss?
- dagw 3y ago
  Is that a requirement for dumping? From a legal/WTO case standpoint, yes. Selling at a loss in general is perfectly legal, and lots of companies do that for all kinds of perfectly legitimate reasons. Using price discrimination to sell at a loss only in certain markets with the intention of damaging the domestic market in that region is when you get into trouble.
LunaSea 3y ago
> Dumping is a specific thing. Are Chinese EVs priced lower in international markets than domestically? I'm not sure but I don't believe that the price difference between China and the rest of the world would be the issue. The biggest problem is killing of the international competition by having artificially low prices.
- blitzar 3y ago
  > by having artificially low prices Chinese car manufacturers probably make more $'s on each car sold than US manufactures.
  - mythhabit 3y ago
    That not hard if your production and/or materials is subsidised by the state, in an attempt to outcompete western companies.
    - blitzar 3y ago
      > subsidised by the state Like the $7b in subsidies each for ford and gm or the 100bn in free loans? Perhaps the 3bn in subsidies for tesla.
      - mythhabit 3y ago
        Not saying USA is not doing it, and both Germany and France is doing it as well in the wake of Corona. But the amount is visible and until we get more transparency, we can only assume that China is doing it even more, because they are known to do that for strategically important sectors.
- __alexs 3y ago
  Under the WTO definition of dumping it absolutely is. https://www.wto.org/english/tratop_e/adp_e/adp_e.htm https://www.wto.org/english/tratop_e/adp_e/adp_e.htm
mauvehaus 3y ago
Dumping is more specific than that. What you're describing is simple price discrimination. Dumping additionally requires that the good be sold internationally for less than the cost of production.
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Dumping is a specific thing. Are Chinese EVs priced lower in international markets than domestically?

echoangle 3y ago

Is that a requirement for dumping? Isn’t Dumping just selling at a loss?

dagw 3y ago
Is that a requirement for dumping? From a legal/WTO case standpoint, yes. Selling at a loss in general is perfectly legal, and lots of companies do that for all kinds of perfectly legitimate reasons. Using price discrimination to sell at a loss only in certain markets with the intention of damaging the domestic market in that region is when you get into trouble.

LunaSea 3y ago

> Dumping is a specific thing. Are Chinese EVs priced lower in international markets than domestically? I'm not sure but I don't believe that the price difference between China and the rest of the world would be the issue. The biggest problem is killing of the international competition by having artificially low prices.

blitzar 3y ago
> by having artificially low prices Chinese car manufacturers probably make more $'s on each car sold than US manufactures.
- mythhabit 3y ago
  That not hard if your production and/or materials is subsidised by the state, in an attempt to outcompete western companies.
  - blitzar 3y ago
    > subsidised by the state Like the $7b in subsidies each for ford and gm or the 100bn in free loans? Perhaps the 3bn in subsidies for tesla.
    - mythhabit 3y ago
      Not saying USA is not doing it, and both Germany and France is doing it as well in the wake of Corona. But the amount is visible and until we get more transparency, we can only assume that China is doing it even more, because they are known to do that for strategically important sectors.
__alexs 3y ago
Under the WTO definition of dumping it absolutely is. https://www.wto.org/english/tratop_e/adp_e/adp_e.htm https://www.wto.org/english/tratop_e/adp_e/adp_e.htm

mauvehaus 3y ago

Dumping is more specific than that. What you're describing is simple price discrimination. Dumping additionally requires that the good be sold internationally for less than the cost of production.

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