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We (Nepali) have been using this material to make lokta paper for a long time now. These papers (Nepali Kaagaz) are used mainly today for official documents.

kragen 3y ago
apparently https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daphne_bholua https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daphne_bholua and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daphne_papyracea https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daphne_papyracea, the usual species for lokta paper, are in a different genus in the same family as https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edgeworthia_chrysantha https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edgeworthia_chrysantha; is it possible the argeli mentioned is an edgeworthia species rather than a daphne species? edit: twic found https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40039860 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40039860 that it's edgeworthia gardneri, which was originally classified as daphne gardneri by the gardner who originally named it
- dartos 3y ago
  Edgeworthia? Anyone else reminded of the Phoenix Wright games?
- pvaldes 3y ago
  Daphne is a complicated material to manipulate. All its parts are very poisonous. Edgeworthia is a little safer, it seems.
  - kragen 3y ago
    you're probably confusing it with the similar-looking oleander, i put daphne (laurel or bay leaves) in my soup. all parts of daphne are supposed to be poisonous but it's not in the same league as oleander oleander is an unrelated plant, being a rosid rather than an asterid, but in some languages people use the same word for both because they both have thick and leathery dark green glossy lanceolate leaves, usually glabrous, with minute reticulate venation edit: no, laurel or bay leaves are not daphne, they're laurus or one of several other genera. laurus is also unrelated to daphne, being a magnoliid. i don't know anything about how toxic daphne is. i regret the error, which was due to Δάφνη being the greek word for laurus nobilis, the laurel from which we get bay leaves for seasoning food
    - pvaldes 3y ago
      > you're probably confusing it with the similar-looking oleander Not. Both are very different species. Daphne is definitely in the same league as Nerium in terms of poison. Very innocent looking, very fragrant, very toxic. I would have it otherwise. What you use in your kitchen is Laurus. But beware the internet. What you --should not-- use in your kitchen is --this-- "Laurus". http://www.paghat.com/laurel.html http://www.paghat.com/laurel.html That is in fact a toxic Prunus
      - oniony 3y ago
        I have this laurel in my garden. It's very hardy. It grows very fast and makes another fine mess of my garden.
- altilunium 3y ago
  Found this excerpt from [1] > I dedicate this beautiful genus to Mr. M. P. Edgeworth, Esq., to whom we owe a valuable description of the vegetation and agriculture in the Sikh states in northwestern India (Hooker's Journal of Botany, II. p. 267), and I combine this with the wish to also pay tribute to his famous sister, Miss Maria Edgeworth, who has become dear to all educated people through her writings, which are marked by rare depth and fullness of mind and spirit, as a warm admirer of nature and the natural sciences, with a modest monument. Now I'm curious about the reason behind its "gardneri" name. > Edgeworthia Gardneri nob. Tab. I. E. with petiolate, oblong-elliptic leaves, acute on both ends, glabrous above, slightly hairy below, peduncles thickened at the apex, hemispherical capitula, involucre with lanceolate acuminate leaves subequal to the flowers, flowers subvillous-tomentose with yellowish pubescence. Hab. in Nepal, where it was discovered by Mr. Wallich in 1820. There are too many high-level botanical terms here, I can't understand anything. [1] : https://www.biodiversitylibrary.org/page/34664378#page/293/mode/1up https://www.biodiversitylibrary.org/page/34664378#page/293/m...
  - bigbillheck 3y ago
    > There are too many high-level botanical terms here, I can't understand anything. That's easily fixable, for example https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTsAFpSXj7Y https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTsAFpSXj7Y
  - pvaldes 3y ago
    > I can't understand anything. Is the typical botanical idiomatic problem. Petiolate: Leaves join the stem by a narrow "tail". oblong-elliptic: Shape of the leaf, self-explanatory, also indicates that the leaf is entire (blade shaped as one continuous structure) acute on both ends: blade leaf starts and ends in a point (that is short in both cases). glabrous above: upper surface smooth slightly hairy below: surface below covered by tiny "bumps" or vesicles to protect from dry or chill conditions (feels hairy to the touch) Peduncles thickened at the apex: Ambiguous, but that "tail" is more thick in one extreme (probably before to join the leaf blade). Hemispherical capitula: Flowers "glued together" over a disk, and arranged as a half sphere. Is not exactly like a daisy, but you pick the idea. involucre with lanceolate acuminate leaves subequal to the flowers: That "disk" has also spear-shaped bracts (accessory small leaves) that are more or less as long as the flowers are. Flowers subvillous-tomentose with yellowish pubescence Flowers in this genus have a strange (and pleasant) plush texture. They are covered by a dense layer of short yellow (or red) hairs. Is very strange the first time that you see it, but also adds a lot of charm and coolness to the species.
kylehotchkiss 3y ago
That's cool, is it something tourists could buy?
- Iambecomedeath 3y ago
  Yes absolutely. Lokta papers can be found at mostly any stationeries in Nepal and notebooks of various designs are made using this paper.

kragen 3y ago

apparently https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daphne_bholua https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daphne_bholua and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daphne_papyracea https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daphne_papyracea, the usual species for lokta paper, are in a different genus in the same family as https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edgeworthia_chrysantha https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edgeworthia_chrysantha; is it possible the argeli mentioned is an edgeworthia species rather than a daphne species? edit: twic found https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40039860 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40039860 that it's edgeworthia gardneri, which was originally classified as daphne gardneri by the gardner who originally named it

dartos 3y ago
Edgeworthia? Anyone else reminded of the Phoenix Wright games?
pvaldes 3y ago
Daphne is a complicated material to manipulate. All its parts are very poisonous. Edgeworthia is a little safer, it seems.
- kragen 3y ago
  you're probably confusing it with the similar-looking oleander, i put daphne (laurel or bay leaves) in my soup. all parts of daphne are supposed to be poisonous but it's not in the same league as oleander oleander is an unrelated plant, being a rosid rather than an asterid, but in some languages people use the same word for both because they both have thick and leathery dark green glossy lanceolate leaves, usually glabrous, with minute reticulate venation edit: no, laurel or bay leaves are not daphne, they're laurus or one of several other genera. laurus is also unrelated to daphne, being a magnoliid. i don't know anything about how toxic daphne is. i regret the error, which was due to Δάφνη being the greek word for laurus nobilis, the laurel from which we get bay leaves for seasoning food
  - pvaldes 3y ago
    > you're probably confusing it with the similar-looking oleander Not. Both are very different species. Daphne is definitely in the same league as Nerium in terms of poison. Very innocent looking, very fragrant, very toxic. I would have it otherwise. What you use in your kitchen is Laurus. But beware the internet. What you --should not-- use in your kitchen is --this-- "Laurus". http://www.paghat.com/laurel.html http://www.paghat.com/laurel.html That is in fact a toxic Prunus
    - oniony 3y ago
      I have this laurel in my garden. It's very hardy. It grows very fast and makes another fine mess of my garden.
altilunium 3y ago
Found this excerpt from [1] > I dedicate this beautiful genus to Mr. M. P. Edgeworth, Esq., to whom we owe a valuable description of the vegetation and agriculture in the Sikh states in northwestern India (Hooker's Journal of Botany, II. p. 267), and I combine this with the wish to also pay tribute to his famous sister, Miss Maria Edgeworth, who has become dear to all educated people through her writings, which are marked by rare depth and fullness of mind and spirit, as a warm admirer of nature and the natural sciences, with a modest monument. Now I'm curious about the reason behind its "gardneri" name. > Edgeworthia Gardneri nob. Tab. I. E. with petiolate, oblong-elliptic leaves, acute on both ends, glabrous above, slightly hairy below, peduncles thickened at the apex, hemispherical capitula, involucre with lanceolate acuminate leaves subequal to the flowers, flowers subvillous-tomentose with yellowish pubescence. Hab. in Nepal, where it was discovered by Mr. Wallich in 1820. There are too many high-level botanical terms here, I can't understand anything. [1] : https://www.biodiversitylibrary.org/page/34664378#page/293/mode/1up https://www.biodiversitylibrary.org/page/34664378#page/293/m...
- bigbillheck 3y ago
  > There are too many high-level botanical terms here, I can't understand anything. That's easily fixable, for example https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTsAFpSXj7Y https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTsAFpSXj7Y
- pvaldes 3y ago
  > I can't understand anything. Is the typical botanical idiomatic problem. Petiolate: Leaves join the stem by a narrow "tail". oblong-elliptic: Shape of the leaf, self-explanatory, also indicates that the leaf is entire (blade shaped as one continuous structure) acute on both ends: blade leaf starts and ends in a point (that is short in both cases). glabrous above: upper surface smooth slightly hairy below: surface below covered by tiny "bumps" or vesicles to protect from dry or chill conditions (feels hairy to the touch) Peduncles thickened at the apex: Ambiguous, but that "tail" is more thick in one extreme (probably before to join the leaf blade). Hemispherical capitula: Flowers "glued together" over a disk, and arranged as a half sphere. Is not exactly like a daisy, but you pick the idea. involucre with lanceolate acuminate leaves subequal to the flowers: That "disk" has also spear-shaped bracts (accessory small leaves) that are more or less as long as the flowers are. Flowers subvillous-tomentose with yellowish pubescence Flowers in this genus have a strange (and pleasant) plush texture. They are covered by a dense layer of short yellow (or red) hairs. Is very strange the first time that you see it, but also adds a lot of charm and coolness to the species.

kylehotchkiss 3y ago

That's cool, is it something tourists could buy?

Iambecomedeath 3y ago
Yes absolutely. Lokta papers can be found at mostly any stationeries in Nepal and notebooks of various designs are made using this paper.