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But autism isn't defined by intelligence or age. You might as well say 'isn't alcoholism such a broad definition, when everyone from world leaders to young peo

by veltas 3y ago

But autism isn't defined by intelligence or age. You might as well say 'isn't alcoholism such a broad definition, when everyone from world leaders to young people to a perennial loner 80+ year old finally discovering that their traits are shared with many others.

faeriechangling 3y ago
The two extremes don't have the same traits in common whatsoever. One will clearly be unable to communicate. The other will clearly communicate but allude to an internal torment. One will struggle with the activities of daily living. The other will have a family, a full time job, commitments in the community. The two people supposedly lack the same abilities. In truth, Autism simply got tied up with entitlements and the diagnosis has been grossly abused as a lever to get access to said entitlements.
- crtified 3y ago
  I'm dismayed at your large-scale, arbitrary diagnosis of fraud. It is not at all the intent of my original comments, in which I only meant to imply that autism is currently a common term for a number of potentially separable conditions. In the sense that a 'spectrum' is quite literally 'a diverse set'.
- bruce343434 3y ago
  Entitlements? What are you talking about?
  - faeriechangling 3y ago
    Financial entitlements, such as to various medical services, higher welfare rates, reduced tax rates. (I've heard a psychologist flat out admit to giving people a diagnosis based wholly on the medical services they wanted them to receive, not based on if they actually qualified for the diagnosis) Accommodations, such as extra time on tests, a more comfortable working environment, more attention and time having school staff attend to them. Affirmative action schemes. Exclusion from military drafts. Extra leeway in social situations in general - in specific ways. Entitlements. The fact of having a right to something. Privledges. Special treatment. A benefit granted by law or custom. Now I am not suggesting that being diagnosed with a disability in fact makes your life better and easier on merit of having all these wonderful entitlements. If you talk to disabled people a lot you will notice what a lot of them stress how they don't want special treatment and make a point of independence. There's reason for that. Nevertheless, people often THINK these sort of entitlements would be very helpful for a person, since superficially entitlements seem awesome when you aren't yet thinking of second order effects.
    - machinawhite 3y ago
      > Financial entitlements ??? > various medical services I pay hundreds of euros each month for health insurance I expect something in return > higher welfare rates Anecdotally none of my neurodivergent friends are on welfare. But I imagine people with more severe types of autism cannot really function in a work environment. That's why it qualifies as a disability. > Accommodations, such as extra time on tests Never got it > a more comfortable working environment Ahahahahahaha > more attention and time having school staff attend to them You're tripping > Affirmative action schemes. ??? > Exclusion from military drafts. I don't know anything about military > Extra leeway in social situations in general - in specific ways. You spelled extra bullying wrong > second order effects What the fuck are you even yapping about?
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- emptyfile 3y ago
  >Autism simply got tied up with entitlements and the diagnosis has been grossly abused as a lever to get access to said entitlements I just love when narrowminded Americans (I would wager 1000$ that the poster is from that country) assume the thing that happens in their city/state/country is a worldwide phenomenon with the rest of us 8 billion people. And even better writing in this snarky obfuscating style so the rest of us don't have a clue what they're talking about. Entitlements??? In my (EU) country talking about your mental issues is simply not done, let alone your actual diagnosis.
  - euroclear 3y ago
    >I would wager 1000$ that the poster is from that country According to their comments, they are Canadian. If you'd still like to wager, I'll happily collect the money.

by veltas 3y ago

faeriechangling 3y ago

The two extremes don't have the same traits in common whatsoever. One will clearly be unable to communicate. The other will clearly communicate but allude to an internal torment. One will struggle with the activities of daily living. The other will have a family, a full time job, commitments in the community. The two people supposedly lack the same abilities. In truth, Autism simply got tied up with entitlements and the diagnosis has been grossly abused as a lever to get access to said entitlements.

crtified 3y ago
I'm dismayed at your large-scale, arbitrary diagnosis of fraud. It is not at all the intent of my original comments, in which I only meant to imply that autism is currently a common term for a number of potentially separable conditions. In the sense that a 'spectrum' is quite literally 'a diverse set'.
bruce343434 3y ago
Entitlements? What are you talking about?
- faeriechangling 3y ago
  Financial entitlements, such as to various medical services, higher welfare rates, reduced tax rates. (I've heard a psychologist flat out admit to giving people a diagnosis based wholly on the medical services they wanted them to receive, not based on if they actually qualified for the diagnosis) Accommodations, such as extra time on tests, a more comfortable working environment, more attention and time having school staff attend to them. Affirmative action schemes. Exclusion from military drafts. Extra leeway in social situations in general - in specific ways. Entitlements. The fact of having a right to something. Privledges. Special treatment. A benefit granted by law or custom. Now I am not suggesting that being diagnosed with a disability in fact makes your life better and easier on merit of having all these wonderful entitlements. If you talk to disabled people a lot you will notice what a lot of them stress how they don't want special treatment and make a point of independence. There's reason for that. Nevertheless, people often THINK these sort of entitlements would be very helpful for a person, since superficially entitlements seem awesome when you aren't yet thinking of second order effects.
  - machinawhite 3y ago
    > Financial entitlements ??? > various medical services I pay hundreds of euros each month for health insurance I expect something in return > higher welfare rates Anecdotally none of my neurodivergent friends are on welfare. But I imagine people with more severe types of autism cannot really function in a work environment. That's why it qualifies as a disability. > Accommodations, such as extra time on tests Never got it > a more comfortable working environment Ahahahahahaha > more attention and time having school staff attend to them You're tripping > Affirmative action schemes. ??? > Exclusion from military drafts. I don't know anything about military > Extra leeway in social situations in general - in specific ways. You spelled extra bullying wrong > second order effects What the fuck are you even yapping about?
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emptyfile 3y ago
>Autism simply got tied up with entitlements and the diagnosis has been grossly abused as a lever to get access to said entitlements I just love when narrowminded Americans (I would wager 1000$ that the poster is from that country) assume the thing that happens in their city/state/country is a worldwide phenomenon with the rest of us 8 billion people. And even better writing in this snarky obfuscating style so the rest of us don't have a clue what they're talking about. Entitlements??? In my (EU) country talking about your mental issues is simply not done, let alone your actual diagnosis.
- euroclear 3y ago
  >I would wager 1000$ that the poster is from that country According to their comments, they are Canadian. If you'd still like to wager, I'll happily collect the money.