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I just learned to sleep with my mouth closed and I watch my breathing during the day too, and avoid breathing through my mouth. This was difficult at first. Idk

by ein0p 3y ago

I just learned to sleep with my mouth closed and I watch my breathing during the day too, and avoid breathing through my mouth. This was difficult at first. Idk why, but I’ve read the musculature responsible for breathing gets weakened if you breathe through your mouth, because there’s a lot less resistance. But now it’s fine, and I don’t even snore anymore. Obviously this is down to individual physiology, so I’m not saying this works for everyone, but it did work for me. Costs $0.

schwartzworld 3y ago
Just to clarify: You were diagnosed with OSA. You learned this technique, did another sleep study and were told you were all clear. Is that right? What was your AHI before "curing" yourself? Afterward, was it 0 or just below the diagnostic criteria of 5?
- ein0p 3y ago
  You can wear an oxymeter to bed nowadays, which I do. I don’t need a “sleep study” to confirm my oxygenation is adequate though the night and I no longer wake up gasping for breath like I used to.
  - schwartzworld 3y ago
    So that would be a "no".
    - ein0p 3y ago
      Or a “yes” seeing that I do a “sleep study” every night and check the results at least once a week. I don’t see why I need to pay a doctor to tell me if I’m asleep or to monitor my blood oxygen in 2024, much for the same reason why “computer” now means a tiny device you own, and not a room full of people.
      - frumper 3y ago
        A sleep study is more than just monitoring your blood oxygen.
      - schwartzworld 3y ago
        Ok "yes" if you're willing to ignore actual diagnostic criteria in favor of "whatever I decide the criteria is". Oxygen saturation isn't what they use, and lack of oxygen is not the issue with apnea. Id normally let your comment go unresponded, but you are giving dangerous advice.
simultsop 3y ago
Did you learn this in a temple or what discipline helped you master it?
- bradstewart 3y ago
  Two books helped convince me this effect was "real" enough to try it: The Oxygen Advantage and Breathe. A ~year later, anecdotal evidence: it works.
- deleted 3y ago
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- trevyn 3y ago
  You can tape your mouth shut when you sleep, and after a few days/weeks of this, you don’t need the tape anymore.
  - selfie 3y ago
    Can you refute this? https://www.health.harvard.edu/staying-healthy/can-mouth-taping-help-my-snoring#:~:text=While%20intentional%20nose%20breathing%20during,disrupted%20sleep%2C%20or%20skin%20irritation https://www.health.harvard.edu/staying-healthy/can-mouth-tap....
    - dflock 3y ago
      They say "could" a lot, and then say that there's no research/evidence to support it - but that's probably just because no one has done and yet. If there was any evidence against it, presumably they'd cite it? Not a refutation, but then the article doesn't really offer any evidence to be refuted. Afaik, "mouth taping" is just putting a little strip of fairly low tack surgical tape across your mouth, vertically, to encourage your body to keep it closed and breathe through your nose while you sleep. I've tried this just to see and it seems to work - but if you open your mouth or move your jaw even a little, it just peels off. As long as you're sensible, it doesn't seem like it's going to do any harm?
    - ein0p 3y ago
dezmou 3y ago
did you feel you didn't have enough debit at all?
MichaelRo 3y ago
What the?! Who's sleeping with their mouth open? I specifically hate going to sleep with my mouth open, which only happens when I have a cold or something and my nose is stuffed, which means I HAVE to breathe through the mouth. Which is fine at first but my throat will dry very fast and starts to hurt. During the day I can moisturize it by drinking liquids but at night it's horror time if I can't close my mouth and divert respiration through where God intended: the nose.
- denkmoon 3y ago
  some of us have very "stuffy noses". I frequently get blocked nasal passages, and only by religiously using a steroidal nasal spray can I breath through my nose. I've had to travel to another city just to get my nasal spray on two occasions, when there is literally zero stock in my city (just prior to hay fever season), so access to this is not a given. Obviously yes, mouth breathing sucks for a variety of reasons, but if you can't breath through your nose it is significantly preferable to the alternative.
  - MichaelRo 3y ago
    It's unlikely you wouldn't have noticed this if it were the case but my nose tends to block too by some reason if I lay on my back. What I observed though is that if I lay on a side, there's some mysterious movement about where the sinuses are and one nostril gets unblocked, I think the one facing up (not touching the pillow). If I switch sides, the blocked and unblocked nostrils switch places. So oftentimes I breathe though just one nostril but still beats breathing through the mouth.
  - trumbitta2 3y ago
    Not a medicine doctor, but your overuse of steroidal nasal spray is the probable cause of your stuffy nose.
    - jacobgorm 3y ago
      Probably not. Steroid sprays are not the same as the OTC nasal congestion sprays that often lead to stuffy nose as soon as you stop taking them.
itai12 3y ago
Totally right. Also helps with snoring. I'm using a small piece of masking tape to make sure my mouth is closed during sleep. Quite a common recommendation for when learning buteyko method.
bigbluedots 3y ago
It's amazing how many anecdotal folk remedies we're presented with on this forum, which I had assumed would have a more scientific bent.
- coldtea 3y ago
  Science begins from experience, and develops from there. It's not like religion, which starts from holy scriptures. Though many think science should just be something we take in as a holy scripture, unconnected to our personal experience, and even when it doesn't match it.
  - addicted 3y ago
    You seem to believe that one can only rigidly do “science” or “religion”. Much of what people are suggesting in these comments are not just “personal anecdotes”. They’ve proven to be wrong for most people. They’re outright dangerous. For example, the comment about just taping your mouth shut is awful without even doing anything for the vast majority of people with sleep apnea.
    - coldtea 3y ago
      >You seem to believe that one can only rigidly do “science” or “religion”. No, in fact I wrote explicly the opposite about science: that it starts with experience, and should not be about accepting some rigid dogma. And I wrote that it's bad that "many think" that science is something we should "take in as a holy scripture". >For example, the comment about just taping your mouth shut is awful without even doing anything for the vast majority of people with sleep apnea. That manages to be both wrong and unscientific. - It's not true it's not "doing anything for the vast majority of people with sleep apnea" - Mouth taping has been shown to be efficient in preliminary research (not to mention in many people's personal results). - "Awful" is just a sentimental meaningless term standing for "I dislike it" in this context - Saying it does not do "anything for the vast majority of people with sleep apnea" is just some personal opinion, since you haven't measured anything or pointed to any research. So the very thing you claim to condemn, pulling stuff out of one's ass.
coldtea 3y ago
>I just learned to sleep with my mouth closed and I watch my breathing during the day too, and avoid breathing through my mouth It's not something you "learn" if you have apnea. And if you don't, you don't normally have to learn it, it's natural, though some people might be accustomed otherwise.

by ein0p 3y ago

schwartzworld 3y ago

Just to clarify: You were diagnosed with OSA. You learned this technique, did another sleep study and were told you were all clear. Is that right? What was your AHI before "curing" yourself? Afterward, was it 0 or just below the diagnostic criteria of 5?

ein0p 3y ago
You can wear an oxymeter to bed nowadays, which I do. I don’t need a “sleep study” to confirm my oxygenation is adequate though the night and I no longer wake up gasping for breath like I used to.
- schwartzworld 3y ago
  So that would be a "no".
  - ein0p 3y ago
    Or a “yes” seeing that I do a “sleep study” every night and check the results at least once a week. I don’t see why I need to pay a doctor to tell me if I’m asleep or to monitor my blood oxygen in 2024, much for the same reason why “computer” now means a tiny device you own, and not a room full of people.
    - frumper 3y ago
      A sleep study is more than just monitoring your blood oxygen.
    - schwartzworld 3y ago
      Ok "yes" if you're willing to ignore actual diagnostic criteria in favor of "whatever I decide the criteria is". Oxygen saturation isn't what they use, and lack of oxygen is not the issue with apnea. Id normally let your comment go unresponded, but you are giving dangerous advice.

simultsop 3y ago

Did you learn this in a temple or what discipline helped you master it?

bradstewart 3y ago
Two books helped convince me this effect was "real" enough to try it: The Oxygen Advantage and Breathe. A ~year later, anecdotal evidence: it works.
deleted 3y ago
[deleted]
trevyn 3y ago
You can tape your mouth shut when you sleep, and after a few days/weeks of this, you don’t need the tape anymore.
- selfie 3y ago
  Can you refute this? https://www.health.harvard.edu/staying-healthy/can-mouth-taping-help-my-snoring#:~:text=While%20intentional%20nose%20breathing%20during,disrupted%20sleep%2C%20or%20skin%20irritation https://www.health.harvard.edu/staying-healthy/can-mouth-tap....
  - dflock 3y ago
    They say "could" a lot, and then say that there's no research/evidence to support it - but that's probably just because no one has done and yet. If there was any evidence against it, presumably they'd cite it? Not a refutation, but then the article doesn't really offer any evidence to be refuted. Afaik, "mouth taping" is just putting a little strip of fairly low tack surgical tape across your mouth, vertically, to encourage your body to keep it closed and breathe through your nose while you sleep. I've tried this just to see and it seems to work - but if you open your mouth or move your jaw even a little, it just peels off. As long as you're sensible, it doesn't seem like it's going to do any harm?
  - ein0p 3y ago

dezmou 3y ago

did you feel you didn't have enough debit at all?

MichaelRo 3y ago

What the?! Who's sleeping with their mouth open? I specifically hate going to sleep with my mouth open, which only happens when I have a cold or something and my nose is stuffed, which means I HAVE to breathe through the mouth. Which is fine at first but my throat will dry very fast and starts to hurt. During the day I can moisturize it by drinking liquids but at night it's horror time if I can't close my mouth and divert respiration through where God intended: the nose.

denkmoon 3y ago
some of us have very "stuffy noses". I frequently get blocked nasal passages, and only by religiously using a steroidal nasal spray can I breath through my nose. I've had to travel to another city just to get my nasal spray on two occasions, when there is literally zero stock in my city (just prior to hay fever season), so access to this is not a given. Obviously yes, mouth breathing sucks for a variety of reasons, but if you can't breath through your nose it is significantly preferable to the alternative.
- MichaelRo 3y ago
  It's unlikely you wouldn't have noticed this if it were the case but my nose tends to block too by some reason if I lay on my back. What I observed though is that if I lay on a side, there's some mysterious movement about where the sinuses are and one nostril gets unblocked, I think the one facing up (not touching the pillow). If I switch sides, the blocked and unblocked nostrils switch places. So oftentimes I breathe though just one nostril but still beats breathing through the mouth.
- trumbitta2 3y ago
  Not a medicine doctor, but your overuse of steroidal nasal spray is the probable cause of your stuffy nose.
  - jacobgorm 3y ago
    Probably not. Steroid sprays are not the same as the OTC nasal congestion sprays that often lead to stuffy nose as soon as you stop taking them.

itai12 3y ago

Totally right. Also helps with snoring. I'm using a small piece of masking tape to make sure my mouth is closed during sleep. Quite a common recommendation for when learning buteyko method.

bigbluedots 3y ago

It's amazing how many anecdotal folk remedies we're presented with on this forum, which I had assumed would have a more scientific bent.

coldtea 3y ago
Science begins from experience, and develops from there. It's not like religion, which starts from holy scriptures. Though many think science should just be something we take in as a holy scripture, unconnected to our personal experience, and even when it doesn't match it.
- addicted 3y ago
  You seem to believe that one can only rigidly do “science” or “religion”. Much of what people are suggesting in these comments are not just “personal anecdotes”. They’ve proven to be wrong for most people. They’re outright dangerous. For example, the comment about just taping your mouth shut is awful without even doing anything for the vast majority of people with sleep apnea.
  - coldtea 3y ago
    >You seem to believe that one can only rigidly do “science” or “religion”. No, in fact I wrote explicly the opposite about science: that it starts with experience, and should not be about accepting some rigid dogma. And I wrote that it's bad that "many think" that science is something we should "take in as a holy scripture". >For example, the comment about just taping your mouth shut is awful without even doing anything for the vast majority of people with sleep apnea. That manages to be both wrong and unscientific. - It's not true it's not "doing anything for the vast majority of people with sleep apnea" - Mouth taping has been shown to be efficient in preliminary research (not to mention in many people's personal results). - "Awful" is just a sentimental meaningless term standing for "I dislike it" in this context - Saying it does not do "anything for the vast majority of people with sleep apnea" is just some personal opinion, since you haven't measured anything or pointed to any research. So the very thing you claim to condemn, pulling stuff out of one's ass.

coldtea 3y ago

>I just learned to sleep with my mouth closed and I watch my breathing during the day too, and avoid breathing through my mouth It's not something you "learn" if you have apnea. And if you don't, you don't normally have to learn it, it's natural, though some people might be accustomed otherwise.