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I understand what you say, even if I don't agree, but does this apply to the Windows 8 desktop? (Optional) transparency and gradients are not more or less digit

I understand what you say, even if I don't agree, but does this apply to the Windows 8 desktop? (Optional) transparency and gradients are not more or less digital than solid colors, so far this looks like a skin of Windows 7 to me.

zokier 14y ago
Of course the changes are going to be evolutionary, incremental. MS probably has the Longhorn fiasco in fresh memory. Bringing revolutionary changes is extremely prone to failure.
- TazeTSchnitzel 14y ago
  Windows 8 is a huge, revolutionary change though. They completely scrapped the start menu, start button, traditional software delivery, etc.
untog 14y ago
It was more that the transparency and gradients were attempting to replicate 'glass'. Why? What purpose does that serve? For a long time people cited user familiarity (I'm sure why Apple has made the skins they have) but I think it's time to move beyond that.
- CountSessine 14y ago
  It was more that the transparency and gradients were attempting to replicate 'glass'. Why? What purpose does that serve? In the case of Vista, it was to show off the snazzy new GPU window compositing. In Window 7 it was inertia. Ah, no, but no practical purpose from the user's point of view. In fact, it actually looks pretty gaudy. I'm glad someone at Microsoft agrees.
- gurkendoktor 14y ago
  But does anyone really think of glass? How would glass help with familiarity? Lots of hardcore digital people always had their terminals set to transparent. Microsoft (following Apple^) did the same and add a blur for usability reasons. If MS suddenly declared that the solid blue shapes in Windows 8 are solid-colored origami paper, would the same interface suddenly be worse because it was skeuomorphic? (^ I'm not talking about the mirror Dock in 10.5, but about the transparent modal dialogs with a blur in 10.5+(?), and the old 10.4 Dock.)

zokier 14y ago

Of course the changes are going to be evolutionary, incremental. MS probably has the Longhorn fiasco in fresh memory. Bringing revolutionary changes is extremely prone to failure.

TazeTSchnitzel 14y ago
Windows 8 is a huge, revolutionary change though. They completely scrapped the start menu, start button, traditional software delivery, etc.

untog 14y ago

It was more that the transparency and gradients were attempting to replicate 'glass'. Why? What purpose does that serve? For a long time people cited user familiarity (I'm sure why Apple has made the skins they have) but I think it's time to move beyond that.

CountSessine 14y ago
It was more that the transparency and gradients were attempting to replicate 'glass'. Why? What purpose does that serve? In the case of Vista, it was to show off the snazzy new GPU window compositing. In Window 7 it was inertia. Ah, no, but no practical purpose from the user's point of view. In fact, it actually looks pretty gaudy. I'm glad someone at Microsoft agrees.
gurkendoktor 14y ago
But does anyone really think of glass? How would glass help with familiarity? Lots of hardcore digital people always had their terminals set to transparent. Microsoft (following Apple^) did the same and add a blur for usability reasons. If MS suddenly declared that the solid blue shapes in Windows 8 are solid-colored origami paper, would the same interface suddenly be worse because it was skeuomorphic? (^ I'm not talking about the mirror Dock in 10.5, but about the transparent modal dialogs with a blur in 10.5+(?), and the old 10.4 Dock.)