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Too bad that gedit is utter garbage now. Lol Gnome. My pet rabbit gets confused when there are too many features so let's remove them all.

SuaveSteve 3y ago
No. No. No. You have it wrong, my friend. The entire thing, like systemd and wayland, is a glorified excuse to reinvent the wheel so that a fresh batch of wizards can continue the cycle.
- The_Colonel 3y ago
  Ah, this thought stopping argument again. X11 is garbage which nobody wants to maintain, let alone develop. It's a very archaic design which is patched via extensions to sorta support some modern concepts which negate the network transparency anyway. Both Wayland and systemd have a very wide developer consensus, because they finally provide a maintainable solution to their respective problems. The drama is constructed by a small minority of contrarians.
  - account42 3y ago
    Wayland might have some developer consensus for the base protocol. Not so much for extensions to make it actually usable on a desktop. By the time it does it will be a patchwork as complex as X11 - it's already getting there with things like requiring PipeWire for simple things like capturing the screen.
  - andreyv 3y ago
    Old does not mean bad. Even a decade later Wayland struggles to provide basic features that were built in the X protocol.
    - The_Colonel 3y ago
      It's OK to use X until Wayland has support for the missing features. I don't really care what I'm running. But it's clear that X is not in shape to see significant development (e.g. to support new needs) in the coming decades.
    - FeepingCreature 3y ago
      When rewriting apps, people have a tendency to say: "well, Oldversion provides X. We could make a Newversion that provides X better, but that's hard so maybe X is actually bad? We should provide Y instead." Then they're confused when nobody with X needs wants to use Newversion.
    - petepete 3y ago
      Which ones do you have in mind? I don't miss X in the slightest.
      - treadmill 3y ago
        Xmodmap

SuaveSteve 3y ago

No. No. No. You have it wrong, my friend. The entire thing, like systemd and wayland, is a glorified excuse to reinvent the wheel so that a fresh batch of wizards can continue the cycle.

The_Colonel 3y ago
Ah, this thought stopping argument again. X11 is garbage which nobody wants to maintain, let alone develop. It's a very archaic design which is patched via extensions to sorta support some modern concepts which negate the network transparency anyway. Both Wayland and systemd have a very wide developer consensus, because they finally provide a maintainable solution to their respective problems. The drama is constructed by a small minority of contrarians.
- account42 3y ago
  Wayland might have some developer consensus for the base protocol. Not so much for extensions to make it actually usable on a desktop. By the time it does it will be a patchwork as complex as X11 - it's already getting there with things like requiring PipeWire for simple things like capturing the screen.
- andreyv 3y ago
  Old does not mean bad. Even a decade later Wayland struggles to provide basic features that were built in the X protocol.
  - The_Colonel 3y ago
    It's OK to use X until Wayland has support for the missing features. I don't really care what I'm running. But it's clear that X is not in shape to see significant development (e.g. to support new needs) in the coming decades.
  - FeepingCreature 3y ago
    When rewriting apps, people have a tendency to say: "well, Oldversion provides X. We could make a Newversion that provides X better, but that's hard so maybe X is actually bad? We should provide Y instead." Then they're confused when nobody with X needs wants to use Newversion.
  - petepete 3y ago
    Which ones do you have in mind? I don't miss X in the slightest.
    - treadmill 3y ago
      Xmodmap