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Fight Club and The Matrix, but I only understood the latter several years later.

by lobito14 3y ago

coolThingsFirst 3y ago
What did you understand from the matrix?
- deleted 3y ago
  [deleted]
- popf1 3y ago
  The Matrix is like a modern religion
- parpfish 3y ago
  Kung fu
  - shmoe 3y ago
    Show me.
- csin 3y ago
  This one's a deep rabbit hole: https://.reddit.com/r/matrix/comments/11vfp8p/npwas_the_matrix_trilogy_really_written_with_a/ https://.reddit.com/r/matrix/comments/11vfp8p/npwas_the_matr... TLDR: The Wachowskis who wrote and directed the film, later became trans. There's a lot of closet trans themes hidden in the film (closet gays/lesbians can relate as well).
  - phemoai 3y ago
    The rabbit hole goes even deeper than that: https://twitter.com/genericeddie/status/1659081857793769472 https://twitter.com/genericeddie/status/1659081857793769472 https://web.archive.org/web/20060115061830/http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/_/id/9138137 https://web.archive.org/web/20060115061830/http://www.rollin...
- datascienced 3y ago
  Software devs will do anything to escape their existence.
Havoc 3y ago
The whole matrix being a trans metaphor didn't even register for me until I heard about it in an interview on YouTube.
- gadders 3y ago
  It's like people thinking the X-Men is about being gay, but given Bryan Singer's proclivities it's more likely to be about being a MAP.
- mmh0000 2y ago
  I really thought you were making things up so I had to Google it and turns out you were not making things up. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=adXm2sDzGkQ https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=adXm2sDzGkQ
- alfor 3y ago
  Funny, I think is it mostly seen as the opposite. That the media and government create a propaganda narative, a fake reality we live in. The red pill has become a symbol of breaking out of all the progressives lies.
  - shmoe 3y ago
    Except that's literally what Wachowskis said -- the rest is right wing fan fiction.
    - bandyaboot 3y ago
      Written by people who would likely disavow the movie entirely if they did 5 minutes of research on the Wachowskis.
  - mindslight 3y ago
    Claiming the concept of a "red pill" as something exclusive to the red tribe is correctly perceiving the blue tribe memetic groupthink, while mistakenly thinking that becoming aware of one general memetic prison means you must have found your way out and into freedom. That media/government propaganda narrative most certainly applies to the red tribe as well. If anything, the red tribe groupthink is much older and pointing out the holes in it is the long established function of the blue tribe, hence why the ideas of The Matrix don't get as much concentrated attention from them.
luxuryballs 3y ago
Good reminder. Fight Club had the same effect on me but it went through phases as I first watched it in my teens and appreciated it for certain reasons, especially the more anarchist future “back to nature” aspects. But then as I grew older and read the book and gained more life experience in general, I appreciated it differently, the deeper meaning, anti-satire, realness and broader narrative as I then started to understand it, seeing things about society through the lens of the characters and with an understanding of why we have order and laws and a system. I thought I was maturing or being some higher intellectual. But then as I got even older and gained even more wisdom and experience, I realized the teenager appreciated aspects were really the true and tangible message, and it was because of the truth that was revealed. I came full circle and realized the returning to nature was the real answer all along, and appreciated the anarchy again and even more fully but now for an entirely different reason. Oh and READ THE BOOK! It is the only time in my life where I was not disappointed after reading the book that I had watched a movie before reading the book actually, just try hard not to catch any spoilers on differences between the book and the movie!
- 082349872349872 3y ago
  > READ THE BOOK! I am Jack's nodding in approval.

Fight Club and The Matrix, but I only understood the latter several years later.

coolThingsFirst 3y ago

What did you understand from the matrix?

deleted 3y ago
[deleted]
popf1 3y ago
The Matrix is like a modern religion
parpfish 3y ago
Kung fu
- shmoe 3y ago
  Show me.
csin 3y ago
This one's a deep rabbit hole: https://.reddit.com/r/matrix/comments/11vfp8p/npwas_the_matrix_trilogy_really_written_with_a/ https://.reddit.com/r/matrix/comments/11vfp8p/npwas_the_matr... TLDR: The Wachowskis who wrote and directed the film, later became trans. There's a lot of closet trans themes hidden in the film (closet gays/lesbians can relate as well).
- phemoai 3y ago
  The rabbit hole goes even deeper than that: https://twitter.com/genericeddie/status/1659081857793769472 https://twitter.com/genericeddie/status/1659081857793769472 https://web.archive.org/web/20060115061830/http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/_/id/9138137 https://web.archive.org/web/20060115061830/http://www.rollin...
datascienced 3y ago
Software devs will do anything to escape their existence.

Havoc 3y ago

The whole matrix being a trans metaphor didn't even register for me until I heard about it in an interview on YouTube.

gadders 3y ago
It's like people thinking the X-Men is about being gay, but given Bryan Singer's proclivities it's more likely to be about being a MAP.
mmh0000 2y ago
I really thought you were making things up so I had to Google it and turns out you were not making things up. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=adXm2sDzGkQ https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=adXm2sDzGkQ
alfor 3y ago
Funny, I think is it mostly seen as the opposite. That the media and government create a propaganda narative, a fake reality we live in. The red pill has become a symbol of breaking out of all the progressives lies.
- shmoe 3y ago
  Except that's literally what Wachowskis said -- the rest is right wing fan fiction.
  - bandyaboot 3y ago
    Written by people who would likely disavow the movie entirely if they did 5 minutes of research on the Wachowskis.
- mindslight 3y ago
  Claiming the concept of a "red pill" as something exclusive to the red tribe is correctly perceiving the blue tribe memetic groupthink, while mistakenly thinking that becoming aware of one general memetic prison means you must have found your way out and into freedom. That media/government propaganda narrative most certainly applies to the red tribe as well. If anything, the red tribe groupthink is much older and pointing out the holes in it is the long established function of the blue tribe, hence why the ideas of The Matrix don't get as much concentrated attention from them.

luxuryballs 3y ago

Good reminder. Fight Club had the same effect on me but it went through phases as I first watched it in my teens and appreciated it for certain reasons, especially the more anarchist future “back to nature” aspects. But then as I grew older and read the book and gained more life experience in general, I appreciated it differently, the deeper meaning, anti-satire, realness and broader narrative as I then started to understand it, seeing things about society through the lens of the characters and with an understanding of why we have order and laws and a system. I thought I was maturing or being some higher intellectual. But then as I got even older and gained even more wisdom and experience, I realized the teenager appreciated aspects were really the true and tangible message, and it was because of the truth that was revealed. I came full circle and realized the returning to nature was the real answer all along, and appreciated the anarchy again and even more fully but now for an entirely different reason. Oh and READ THE BOOK! It is the only time in my life where I was not disappointed after reading the book that I had watched a movie before reading the book actually, just try hard not to catch any spoilers on differences between the book and the movie!

082349872349872 3y ago
> READ THE BOOK! I am Jack's nodding in approval.