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>Europe's legal structure is unsupportive and hinders software development on the scale of an Apple or a Microsoft Nah, what hinders software development at th

>Europe's legal structure is unsupportive and hinders software development on the scale of an Apple or a Microsoft Nah, what hinders software development at that scale is literally just... scale and network effects. Europe has a significantly better legal infrastructure than Russia or China (which routinely kills entire sectors for random reasons) but Europe is not a homogenous isolated market of hundreds of millions people speaking the same language. That's literally it. Looking at it another way, what's the American competition for Microsoft? You're just one company ahead of Europe in most cases, and most of them ironically sit in a state that looks like Europe in regulatory terms. If the vast majority of American states can't produce much competition, most of them extremely lax in terms of the legal environment, that's an indicator that this isn't what actually matters.

raverbashing 3y ago
> Looking at it another way, what's the American competition for Microsoft? Yeah this is another point that people seem to forget We're talking about 2 or 3 cities in the US that punch way above their level. But we don't hear too often how there isn't a competitive cloud made in Boston or where's the FB competitor from Minnesota etc
- roenxi 3y ago
  There are roughly two perspectives on that. "Gee, these industrial clusters are super rare and delicate! We have to make the conditions as favourable for them as possible".. "This company is making lots of money but I disagree how they are doing it! We should force them to behave in a way that is more in line with how everyone else does things. All these big companies are the same and the wealth isn't going to go anywhere". Europe puts a barriers in place that will kill off an entrepreneur's dream here or there. They only have to kill one or two key companies to do trillions of dollars of self-harm (which is what they appear to have done). In fact, everyone does this just to a greater or lesser degree; for example we can see how much prosperity China's manufacturing created with less blockers than in the USA leading to a few key industrial clusters.
yobbo 3y ago
Also; there might exist a phenomenon such that MS products allow "consolidation" of influence/power in big/old organisations. For example, Slack would need to be a bottom-up initiative in most organisations, whereas MS Teams is a top-down initiative. MS Teams is lower risk from the perspective of management as it creates less of an alternative "center-of-gravity" for power. Maybe it's more common in Europe for prestigious positions/roles (as opposed to compensation) to be used as reward/incentive (as opposed to a tool for change). Not sure.
SllX 3y ago
> Looking at it another way, what's the American competition for Microsoft? Computers: Apple and Google (Chromebooks are big in education). Server operating systems: various flavors of Linux, but I guess basically IBM since they bought Red Hat. Cloud services: Amazon. Office software: Google. Databases: Oracle. Name some slice or segment of all of these companies and there’s usually (though not always) a direct American competitor worth naming in the same breath even though each has their own specialty and none compete in their totality with each other.
Aerroon 3y ago
Are Russia and China actually worse on legal infrastructure when it comes to building software? Because I seem to use more Chinese software than European ones.

raverbashing 3y ago

> Looking at it another way, what's the American competition for Microsoft? Yeah this is another point that people seem to forget We're talking about 2 or 3 cities in the US that punch way above their level. But we don't hear too often how there isn't a competitive cloud made in Boston or where's the FB competitor from Minnesota etc

roenxi 3y ago
There are roughly two perspectives on that. "Gee, these industrial clusters are super rare and delicate! We have to make the conditions as favourable for them as possible".. "This company is making lots of money but I disagree how they are doing it! We should force them to behave in a way that is more in line with how everyone else does things. All these big companies are the same and the wealth isn't going to go anywhere". Europe puts a barriers in place that will kill off an entrepreneur's dream here or there. They only have to kill one or two key companies to do trillions of dollars of self-harm (which is what they appear to have done). In fact, everyone does this just to a greater or lesser degree; for example we can see how much prosperity China's manufacturing created with less blockers than in the USA leading to a few key industrial clusters.

yobbo 3y ago

Also; there might exist a phenomenon such that MS products allow "consolidation" of influence/power in big/old organisations. For example, Slack would need to be a bottom-up initiative in most organisations, whereas MS Teams is a top-down initiative. MS Teams is lower risk from the perspective of management as it creates less of an alternative "center-of-gravity" for power. Maybe it's more common in Europe for prestigious positions/roles (as opposed to compensation) to be used as reward/incentive (as opposed to a tool for change). Not sure.

SllX 3y ago

> Looking at it another way, what's the American competition for Microsoft? Computers: Apple and Google (Chromebooks are big in education). Server operating systems: various flavors of Linux, but I guess basically IBM since they bought Red Hat. Cloud services: Amazon. Office software: Google. Databases: Oracle. Name some slice or segment of all of these companies and there’s usually (though not always) a direct American competitor worth naming in the same breath even though each has their own specialty and none compete in their totality with each other.

Aerroon 3y ago

Are Russia and China actually worse on legal infrastructure when it comes to building software? Because I seem to use more Chinese software than European ones.