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Not the law, these are just license terms.

by db48x 3y ago

ok_dad 3y ago
Contract law covers licenses. Just because it’s not criminal doesn’t mean it’s not important to follow. Also, regardless of the fact this is contract law, do you think it’s okay to take code other made and use it without following the licenses? Especially for a rich media corporation? That’s shameful if true.
- db48x 3y ago
  > do you think it’s okay to yadda yadda yadda No, I never said that. You made it up yourself and pretended that I said it. There is a difference between honoring an agreement between equals (such as a license) and obeying the law.
  - ok_dad 3y ago
    I never said you said it, I asked it. As stated previously, license are contract law.
    - db48x 3y ago
      You imagined some meaning not present in the words I wrote, and asked me if that’s what I meant. This is a way of implying that my words had this imagined meaning. You should avoid doing that. Contract law does not explicitly state that every provision of every contract must always be followed. By definition, contract law really has nothing to do with the specific circumstances of any particular agreement; if it did, it would just be a law about those circumstances and not about contracts. In fact, it was not until two years ago that a court acknowledged that the GPL really is a contract (https://sfconservancy.org/news/2022/may/16/vizio-remand-win/ https://sfconservancy.org/news/2022/may/16/vizio-remand-win/). All I am saying is that you shouldn’t ask them not to try to weasel out of their obligations under “the law”, but instead to ask that they not try to weasel out of their obligations under the terms of the AGPL. This is a contract that they entered in to not just with the authors of the open–source software that they rely on, but also with their users. It would be dishonorable to renege.
- rvz 3y ago
  > Also, regardless of the fact this is contract law, do you think it’s okay to take code other made and use it without following the licenses? Especially for a rich media corporation? That’s shameful if true. Not defending Truth Social, but let's ask GitHub that same question after Microsoft trained on GPL and AGPL source code for its GitHub Copilot uses and it is known for outputting GPL and AGPL code. [0] As Truth Social should comply with the AGPL, GitHub should do the same and open source the whole of Copilot. [0] https://codeium.com/blog/copilot-trains-on-gpl-codeium-does-not https://codeium.com/blog/copilot-trains-on-gpl-codeium-does-...
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Not the law, these are just license terms.

by db48x 3y ago

Not the law, these are just license terms.

Contract law covers licenses. Just because it’s not criminal doesn’t mean it’s not important to follow. Also, regardless of the fact this is contract law, do you think it’s okay to take code other made and use it without following the licenses? Especially for a rich media corporation? That’s shameful if true.

db48x 3y ago
> do you think it’s okay to yadda yadda yadda No, I never said that. You made it up yourself and pretended that I said it. There is a difference between honoring an agreement between equals (such as a license) and obeying the law.
- ok_dad 3y ago
  I never said you said it, I asked it. As stated previously, license are contract law.
  - db48x 3y ago
    You imagined some meaning not present in the words I wrote, and asked me if that’s what I meant. This is a way of implying that my words had this imagined meaning. You should avoid doing that. Contract law does not explicitly state that every provision of every contract must always be followed. By definition, contract law really has nothing to do with the specific circumstances of any particular agreement; if it did, it would just be a law about those circumstances and not about contracts. In fact, it was not until two years ago that a court acknowledged that the GPL really is a contract (https://sfconservancy.org/news/2022/may/16/vizio-remand-win/ https://sfconservancy.org/news/2022/may/16/vizio-remand-win/). All I am saying is that you shouldn’t ask them not to try to weasel out of their obligations under “the law”, but instead to ask that they not try to weasel out of their obligations under the terms of the AGPL. This is a contract that they entered in to not just with the authors of the open–source software that they rely on, but also with their users. It would be dishonorable to renege.
rvz 3y ago
> Also, regardless of the fact this is contract law, do you think it’s okay to take code other made and use it without following the licenses? Especially for a rich media corporation? That’s shameful if true. Not defending Truth Social, but let's ask GitHub that same question after Microsoft trained on GPL and AGPL source code for its GitHub Copilot uses and it is known for outputting GPL and AGPL code. [0] As Truth Social should comply with the AGPL, GitHub should do the same and open source the whole of Copilot. [0] https://codeium.com/blog/copilot-trains-on-gpl-codeium-does-not https://codeium.com/blog/copilot-trains-on-gpl-codeium-does-...
- deleted 3y ago
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