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> that the labor they exploit is frequently performed by liberals, queers, socialists, and other groups they’ve sworn to destroy You know... people with signi

> that the labor they exploit is frequently performed by liberals, queers, socialists, and other groups they’ve sworn to destroy You know... people with significantly different ideologies also write code.

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fnordpiglet 3y ago
I think the word is “frequently” which isn’t “exclusively” and the subject was “open source,” not code. I don’t think it’s controversial most free software / open source people fall into these categories much to the cryptofascist science denying qanon follower free software nerds dismay.
- akira2501 3y ago
  I'd even challenge "frequently" to the extent that it rises to an obvious point of "exploitation" when "their" code is used. It claims ownership and a position that is neither relevant the copyright issues presented nor, in my opinion, even true. It's probably not controversial here on Hacker News, but many people live inside this HN valley bubble that's pretty solidly disconnected from the rest of the country and even the world. You've made this particular case here perfectly by attempting to connect identity to open source. Which, I do find annoying, as many people make the same assumptions you do towards me in my work, as if presumptively pushing politics into an engineering conversation is a worthwhile or welcome activity. The mixture of faux shock and bullying in response is, sadly, nothing new to me either. Anyways, you're welcome to openly have as closed of a mind as you like, but I will always find the behavior baffling and worthy of comment.
  - fnordpiglet 3y ago
    Oh I agree the license of open source lets anyone use it. No debate at all. But the demographics of the community are not particularly controversial and I’m frankly surprised people disagree at all no matter their social or political view point. The HN valley bubble is absolutely disconnected from the rest of the world, but is absolutely representative of the open source developer community. Representative however does not mean exclusively so. Your experience of presumption of political belief is specifically the “dismay” point I made. I absolutely agree there’s a huge presumption based on the overwhelming political alignment of the community and it absolutely makes science denying cryptofascists uncomfortable. What I find unclear is why this makes me close minded. I’m a card carrying ACLU members and 1000% agree everyone is entitled to be as close minded and cruel as they want and am absolutely in favor of seeing Truth Social exist and watch it suck the money of its investors pockets since in fact their views -are- repugnant to most people. But they’re absolutely free to share them at their own expense.
jrflowers 3y ago
This is a good point because “frequently performed by” means “exclusively performed by”
- helpmefindpurp 3y ago
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fnordpiglet 3y ago

I think the word is “frequently” which isn’t “exclusively” and the subject was “open source,” not code. I don’t think it’s controversial most free software / open source people fall into these categories much to the cryptofascist science denying qanon follower free software nerds dismay.

akira2501 3y ago
I'd even challenge "frequently" to the extent that it rises to an obvious point of "exploitation" when "their" code is used. It claims ownership and a position that is neither relevant the copyright issues presented nor, in my opinion, even true. It's probably not controversial here on Hacker News, but many people live inside this HN valley bubble that's pretty solidly disconnected from the rest of the country and even the world. You've made this particular case here perfectly by attempting to connect identity to open source. Which, I do find annoying, as many people make the same assumptions you do towards me in my work, as if presumptively pushing politics into an engineering conversation is a worthwhile or welcome activity. The mixture of faux shock and bullying in response is, sadly, nothing new to me either. Anyways, you're welcome to openly have as closed of a mind as you like, but I will always find the behavior baffling and worthy of comment.
- fnordpiglet 3y ago
  Oh I agree the license of open source lets anyone use it. No debate at all. But the demographics of the community are not particularly controversial and I’m frankly surprised people disagree at all no matter their social or political view point. The HN valley bubble is absolutely disconnected from the rest of the world, but is absolutely representative of the open source developer community. Representative however does not mean exclusively so. Your experience of presumption of political belief is specifically the “dismay” point I made. I absolutely agree there’s a huge presumption based on the overwhelming political alignment of the community and it absolutely makes science denying cryptofascists uncomfortable. What I find unclear is why this makes me close minded. I’m a card carrying ACLU members and 1000% agree everyone is entitled to be as close minded and cruel as they want and am absolutely in favor of seeing Truth Social exist and watch it suck the money of its investors pockets since in fact their views -are- repugnant to most people. But they’re absolutely free to share them at their own expense.

jrflowers 3y ago

This is a good point because “frequently performed by” means “exclusively performed by”

helpmefindpurp 3y ago
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