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Yeah… the Italian badge has to produce the Milano in Italy… absolutely crazy. Marketing guys who want to sell a Polish car should not be able to use the cultura

by Affric 3y ago

Yeah… the Italian badge has to produce the Milano in Italy… absolutely crazy. Marketing guys who want to sell a Polish car should not be able to use the cultural cache built by Italy to do it.

pyottdes 3y ago
What are your feelings about the Ferrari California?
- Affric 3y ago
  Great car. Similar feelings.
evantbyrne 3y ago
It's going to take a bit more persuasion to get auto manufacturers to move to an entirely different state than silly rules around names. And while the Italian government fixates on the past, the rest of the world is hooked straight up to the fire hose of American culture, which is to the benefit of Americans.
- JumpCrisscross 3y ago
  > while the Italian government fixates on the past, the rest of the world is hooked straight up to the fire hose of American culture Much of modern Italian culture has direct roots in its post-War boom, with substantial portions having been grafted from Americana, e.g. pannetone, parmesan, tiramisu and quite a few "classic" pasta dishes like carbonara [1]. [1] https://www.ft.com/content/6ac009d5-dbfd-4a86-839e-28bb44b2b64c https://www.ft.com/content/6ac009d5-dbfd-4a86-839e-28bb44b2b...
  - Affric 3y ago
    That is a great article on the invention of tradition in Italian cuisine, rightwing politics, the fallibility of popular memory, and the realities of prewar life in Europe. It does not state that pannetone, parmesan, tiramasu, or 'quite a few "classic" dishes' are Americana. According to the article pizzerias as a phenomenon are American. The most traditional Parmesan is American. Carbonara was an American innovation or at least arose due to American ingredients.
    - JumpCrisscross 3y ago
      Whoops, bad sentence construction. That reference was for the first phrase, regarding each of those dishes being post-War concoctions or reinventions.
      - Affric 3y ago
        No worries. I often do it myself and I appreciate the article so thank you.

by Affric 3y ago

Yeah… the Italian badge has to produce the Milano in Italy… absolutely crazy. Marketing guys who want to sell a Polish car should not be able to use the cultural cache built by Italy to do it.

pyottdes 3y ago

What are your feelings about the Ferrari California?

Affric 3y ago
Great car. Similar feelings.

evantbyrne 3y ago

It's going to take a bit more persuasion to get auto manufacturers to move to an entirely different state than silly rules around names. And while the Italian government fixates on the past, the rest of the world is hooked straight up to the fire hose of American culture, which is to the benefit of Americans.

JumpCrisscross 3y ago
> while the Italian government fixates on the past, the rest of the world is hooked straight up to the fire hose of American culture Much of modern Italian culture has direct roots in its post-War boom, with substantial portions having been grafted from Americana, e.g. pannetone, parmesan, tiramisu and quite a few "classic" pasta dishes like carbonara [1]. [1] https://www.ft.com/content/6ac009d5-dbfd-4a86-839e-28bb44b2b64c https://www.ft.com/content/6ac009d5-dbfd-4a86-839e-28bb44b2b...
- Affric 3y ago
  That is a great article on the invention of tradition in Italian cuisine, rightwing politics, the fallibility of popular memory, and the realities of prewar life in Europe. It does not state that pannetone, parmesan, tiramasu, or 'quite a few "classic" dishes' are Americana. According to the article pizzerias as a phenomenon are American. The most traditional Parmesan is American. Carbonara was an American innovation or at least arose due to American ingredients.
  - JumpCrisscross 3y ago
    Whoops, bad sentence construction. That reference was for the first phrase, regarding each of those dishes being post-War concoctions or reinventions.
    - Affric 3y ago
      No worries. I often do it myself and I appreciate the article so thank you.