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> thinking outside of groups seems to be the really key challenge compare https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anattā https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anattā (personall

> thinking outside of groups seems to be the really key challenge compare https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anattā https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anattā (personally, I'd think the Internet would feel broken because "nobody goes there anymore; it's too crowded")

PaulHoule 3y ago
In terms of group I went to a showing of this movie https://putnamdoc.com/ https://putnamdoc.com/ that postulates (which research to back it up) that real groups of people who get together physically are a lot healthier than the kind of “groups” people imagine they are members of online. Is that what you mean? It’s a dark think to think about but sometimes I wonder what happens after the fall of our civilization (could be 50 years, 500 years, 5000 years, …) but that when such a thing happens the survivors turn their back on the old civilization so of course they burned the library of Alexandria. My take is that individualism (self as in narcissism) is the core idea of our civilization for better and for worse and that our successors would be very likely to reject that.
- aebtebeten 3y ago
  On physically joining clubs: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39861369 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39861369 It's not what I meant though; I'm not sure I meant anything other than to juxtapose some different ideas and see if rubbing them against one another produced sparks? Given that it did produce your thoughts on individualism, allow me to point out that the possibilities are not limited to the limit points of narcissism and borg, but include any affine combination in between. I like the motto of Dumas' 3 Musketeers, "all for one and one for all", because I interpret it as follows: communities (plural: ideally the overlapping felt, supra) should help their individuals differentiate, and individuals should help their communities thrive. Lagniappe: https://xkcd.com/2608/ https://xkcd.com/2608/

PaulHoule 3y ago

In terms of group I went to a showing of this movie https://putnamdoc.com/ https://putnamdoc.com/ that postulates (which research to back it up) that real groups of people who get together physically are a lot healthier than the kind of “groups” people imagine they are members of online. Is that what you mean? It’s a dark think to think about but sometimes I wonder what happens after the fall of our civilization (could be 50 years, 500 years, 5000 years, …) but that when such a thing happens the survivors turn their back on the old civilization so of course they burned the library of Alexandria. My take is that individualism (self as in narcissism) is the core idea of our civilization for better and for worse and that our successors would be very likely to reject that.

aebtebeten 3y ago
On physically joining clubs: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39861369 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39861369 It's not what I meant though; I'm not sure I meant anything other than to juxtapose some different ideas and see if rubbing them against one another produced sparks? Given that it did produce your thoughts on individualism, allow me to point out that the possibilities are not limited to the limit points of narcissism and borg, but include any affine combination in between. I like the motto of Dumas' 3 Musketeers, "all for one and one for all", because I interpret it as follows: communities (plural: ideally the overlapping felt, supra) should help their individuals differentiate, and individuals should help their communities thrive. Lagniappe: https://xkcd.com/2608/ https://xkcd.com/2608/