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Multinational corporations are going to have it rough in the future, as governments with competing (and sometimes contradictory) interests discover they have th

Multinational corporations are going to have it rough in the future, as governments with competing (and sometimes contradictory) interests discover they have the ability to punish corporate behavior anywhere in the world. China is leading the way here.

ytdytvhxgydvhh 3y ago
Italy seems to be right there too. Just saw they deemed a car model name illegal because it sounds Italian but isn’t made in Italy: https://www.thedrive.com/news/italy-tells-alfa-romeo-its-illegal-to-build-the-milano-in-poland https://www.thedrive.com/news/italy-tells-alfa-romeo-its-ill...
- Perepiska 3y ago
  Also Italien: make liquorice candies named "Fjord" [1] :) [1] https://www.liking.it/en/products/candies/hard/balsamic-fjord/ https://www.liking.it/en/products/candies/hard/balsamic-fjor...
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- mauvehaus 3y ago
  Wait 'til they hear about the Pepperidge Farm cookies.
  - afiori 3y ago
    None of those words sounds even vaguely italian
    - Brian_K_White 3y ago
      The single most famous one is Milano, and there is also Verona.
      - afiori 3y ago
        So Milano and Verona are products in the Pepperidge Farm brand? I was not familiar with the brand or their product naming
- playingalong 3y ago
  It'd be legal to produce it in Italy outside of the city of Milan. But it's illegal to produce it abroad. I don't think they even pretend it's not protectionism.
- Affric 3y ago
  Yeah… the Italian badge has to produce the Milano in Italy… absolutely crazy. Marketing guys who want to sell a Polish car should not be able to use the cultural cache built by Italy to do it.
  - pyottdes 3y ago
    What are your feelings about the Ferrari California?
    - Affric 3y ago
      Great car. Similar feelings.
  - evantbyrne 3y ago
    It's going to take a bit more persuasion to get auto manufacturers to move to an entirely different state than silly rules around names. And while the Italian government fixates on the past, the rest of the world is hooked straight up to the fire hose of American culture, which is to the benefit of Americans.
    - JumpCrisscross 3y ago
      > while the Italian government fixates on the past, the rest of the world is hooked straight up to the fire hose of American culture Much of modern Italian culture has direct roots in its post-War boom, with substantial portions having been grafted from Americana, e.g. pannetone, parmesan, tiramisu and quite a few "classic" pasta dishes like carbonara [1]. [1] https://www.ft.com/content/6ac009d5-dbfd-4a86-839e-28bb44b2b64c https://www.ft.com/content/6ac009d5-dbfd-4a86-839e-28bb44b2b...
      - Affric 3y ago
        That is a great article on the invention of tradition in Italian cuisine, rightwing politics, the fallibility of popular memory, and the realities of prewar life in Europe. It does not state that pannetone, parmesan, tiramasu, or 'quite a few "classic" dishes' are Americana. According to the article pizzerias as a phenomenon are American. The most traditional Parmesan is American. Carbonara was an American innovation or at least arose due to American ingredients.
ISL 3y ago
It leads to balkanization -- see Google's total withdrawal from China. As a consumer, I recently selected a new device in large part because its cloud-affiliated software (and bespoke operating system) was written, stored, and administered in countries with appropriate and ethical legal frameworks. The competition was more feature-complete, but I concluded that I couldn't trust any of those options.
- alsetmusic 3y ago
  Seems more and more that to lead a completely ethical existence means sacrificing luxury, happiness, and time. Or surrender to willful ignorance.
  - lostlogin 3y ago
    > to lead a completely ethical existence means sacrificing luxury, happiness, and time Hasn’t this always been true? It’s also getting increasingly easy to buy things that meet ethical standards (or more cynically, it’s easier to buy things that meet some low bar that someone setup).
- fsckboy 3y ago
  > It leads to balkanization -- see Google's total withdrawal from China. True balkanization does not occur in Italy, except Trieste and perhaps parts of Friuli-Venezia Giulia... and I put that in Italics!
ApolloFortyNine 3y ago
I feel like EU is ahead of the curve here with cookie pop-ups. In order to comply don't you have to go out of your way to block EU viewers? At least that's how it seems to be handled by ones that care, la times I believe was one example. And I know some of their other policies specifically call out fining based on global revenue, not EU revenue.
- stickfigure 3y ago
  At some point, people will realize that companies without a physical EU footprint can just ignore it. Has anyone _ever_ been extradited over cookie banners?
  - ApolloFortyNine 3y ago
    The "problem" is that you could get on a list to be denied entry at the border if you ever choose to travel.
    - stickfigure 3y ago
      Who? The CEO? I like European travel more than most, but there's definitely a price you could pay me to give that up. LatAm is wonderful too.

ytdytvhxgydvhh 3y ago

Italy seems to be right there too. Just saw they deemed a car model name illegal because it sounds Italian but isn’t made in Italy: https://www.thedrive.com/news/italy-tells-alfa-romeo-its-illegal-to-build-the-milano-in-poland https://www.thedrive.com/news/italy-tells-alfa-romeo-its-ill...

Perepiska 3y ago
Also Italien: make liquorice candies named "Fjord" [1] :) [1] https://www.liking.it/en/products/candies/hard/balsamic-fjord/ https://www.liking.it/en/products/candies/hard/balsamic-fjor...
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mauvehaus 3y ago
Wait 'til they hear about the Pepperidge Farm cookies.
- afiori 3y ago
  None of those words sounds even vaguely italian
  - Brian_K_White 3y ago
    The single most famous one is Milano, and there is also Verona.
    - afiori 3y ago
      So Milano and Verona are products in the Pepperidge Farm brand? I was not familiar with the brand or their product naming
playingalong 3y ago
It'd be legal to produce it in Italy outside of the city of Milan. But it's illegal to produce it abroad. I don't think they even pretend it's not protectionism.
Affric 3y ago
Yeah… the Italian badge has to produce the Milano in Italy… absolutely crazy. Marketing guys who want to sell a Polish car should not be able to use the cultural cache built by Italy to do it.
- pyottdes 3y ago
  What are your feelings about the Ferrari California?
  - Affric 3y ago
    Great car. Similar feelings.
- evantbyrne 3y ago
  It's going to take a bit more persuasion to get auto manufacturers to move to an entirely different state than silly rules around names. And while the Italian government fixates on the past, the rest of the world is hooked straight up to the fire hose of American culture, which is to the benefit of Americans.
  - JumpCrisscross 3y ago
    > while the Italian government fixates on the past, the rest of the world is hooked straight up to the fire hose of American culture Much of modern Italian culture has direct roots in its post-War boom, with substantial portions having been grafted from Americana, e.g. pannetone, parmesan, tiramisu and quite a few "classic" pasta dishes like carbonara [1]. [1] https://www.ft.com/content/6ac009d5-dbfd-4a86-839e-28bb44b2b64c https://www.ft.com/content/6ac009d5-dbfd-4a86-839e-28bb44b2b...
    - Affric 3y ago
      That is a great article on the invention of tradition in Italian cuisine, rightwing politics, the fallibility of popular memory, and the realities of prewar life in Europe. It does not state that pannetone, parmesan, tiramasu, or 'quite a few "classic" dishes' are Americana. According to the article pizzerias as a phenomenon are American. The most traditional Parmesan is American. Carbonara was an American innovation or at least arose due to American ingredients.

ISL 3y ago

It leads to balkanization -- see Google's total withdrawal from China. As a consumer, I recently selected a new device in large part because its cloud-affiliated software (and bespoke operating system) was written, stored, and administered in countries with appropriate and ethical legal frameworks. The competition was more feature-complete, but I concluded that I couldn't trust any of those options.

alsetmusic 3y ago
Seems more and more that to lead a completely ethical existence means sacrificing luxury, happiness, and time. Or surrender to willful ignorance.
- lostlogin 3y ago
  > to lead a completely ethical existence means sacrificing luxury, happiness, and time Hasn’t this always been true? It’s also getting increasingly easy to buy things that meet ethical standards (or more cynically, it’s easier to buy things that meet some low bar that someone setup).
fsckboy 3y ago
> It leads to balkanization -- see Google's total withdrawal from China. True balkanization does not occur in Italy, except Trieste and perhaps parts of Friuli-Venezia Giulia... and I put that in Italics!

ApolloFortyNine 3y ago

I feel like EU is ahead of the curve here with cookie pop-ups. In order to comply don't you have to go out of your way to block EU viewers? At least that's how it seems to be handled by ones that care, la times I believe was one example. And I know some of their other policies specifically call out fining based on global revenue, not EU revenue.

stickfigure 3y ago
At some point, people will realize that companies without a physical EU footprint can just ignore it. Has anyone _ever_ been extradited over cookie banners?
- ApolloFortyNine 3y ago
  The "problem" is that you could get on a list to be denied entry at the border if you ever choose to travel.
  - stickfigure 3y ago
    Who? The CEO? I like European travel more than most, but there's definitely a price you could pay me to give that up. LatAm is wonderful too.