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Because people want that? In reality, you can do both. You can also do neither. I live in a dense urban core already where it is often convenient to take a bus

Because people want that? In reality, you can do both. You can also do neither. I live in a dense urban core already where it is often convenient to take a bus. But not always - there are those mysterious poles of unavailability. Upgrading it with automatic off-site parking could still free up a lot of street estate.

komali2 3y ago
> Because people want that? People want to drive without their seatbelts while drunk. Actually, this is one of the few times it's correct to truck out, "if we asked the people what they want, they'd say faster horses." Most Americans have no idea what they're missing in terms of the convenience and comfort of a good public transit system. Instead of being mad at everyone in your city for 40 minutes twice a day, you can relax for 30-45 minutes twice a day while reading a book or taking a nap. And, you can get drunk if you feel like it, and get home cheap anyway. > But not always - there are those mysterious poles of unavailability. A better funded public transit system wouldn't have this. > off-site parking could still free up a lot of street estate Offsite where? Parking lots? Consider Houston: "off site" aka out of the city is about a hundred miles from the city center. There's no "off site" for many American cities.
- thriftwy 3y ago
  Give me a map and I'll find a way for an off-site carousel. I can see a huge amount of wasted space below freeway interchanges which encircle central Houston. Just build two storey deep FSD offsites below all of these. US is a weird outlier but many other places already have good public transit. FSD offsite parking they still can explore.
  - komali2 3y ago
    In Taiwan we turned the under-bridge areas into markets, basketball courts, concrete parks (for BBQ or whatever), and skate parks. In Japan they do one better and turned them into full blown malls and shopping areas. No matter where you want to put a parking lot, there's something better, more beneficial to society, less environmentally damaging, more conducive to a nice place to live, and more capitalistically valuable than the parking lot that can go there instead. And if you want to start talking about drilling holes in the ground to put parking lots, great, let's make them horizontal instead and spend that money on a subway. Cars are simply a bad solution to moving people, automated or otherwise. Ever hear the story about how they had to take realistic parking lots out of sim city, because they made the game boring? There's a reason for that.
    - thriftwy 3y ago
      All that does not preclude Taiwan from having a car per 3 people, and that includes infants and the elderly, as the saying goes. If you have these cars, stop pretending you don't need to handle the traffic. You do.
      - komali2 3y ago
        1 per 3 people? We're at like 2.8 per 10 in Taiwan. If Taiwan had 1 car per 3 people the country would be in permanent gridlock, there's absolutely not enough road infrastructure to handle that. Taipei already experiences near gridlock every single rushhour. We handle traffic with busses, MRT, docked bicycle rental system, and also the fact that our cities are very dense, with lots of small businesses like restaurants easily accessible from your house within a five minute walk. I'm arguing to get rid of the cars. Taiwan should do the same, for the record. I mean, the classic image illustrates the point perfectly https://danielbowen.com/2012/09/19/road-space-photo/ https://danielbowen.com/2012/09/19/road-space-photo/ there's just no way to justify private cars in a modern era with cities having multi-millions of people.

komali2 3y ago

> Because people want that? People want to drive without their seatbelts while drunk. Actually, this is one of the few times it's correct to truck out, "if we asked the people what they want, they'd say faster horses." Most Americans have no idea what they're missing in terms of the convenience and comfort of a good public transit system. Instead of being mad at everyone in your city for 40 minutes twice a day, you can relax for 30-45 minutes twice a day while reading a book or taking a nap. And, you can get drunk if you feel like it, and get home cheap anyway. > But not always - there are those mysterious poles of unavailability. A better funded public transit system wouldn't have this. > off-site parking could still free up a lot of street estate Offsite where? Parking lots? Consider Houston: "off site" aka out of the city is about a hundred miles from the city center. There's no "off site" for many American cities.

thriftwy 3y ago
Give me a map and I'll find a way for an off-site carousel. I can see a huge amount of wasted space below freeway interchanges which encircle central Houston. Just build two storey deep FSD offsites below all of these. US is a weird outlier but many other places already have good public transit. FSD offsite parking they still can explore.
- komali2 3y ago
  In Taiwan we turned the under-bridge areas into markets, basketball courts, concrete parks (for BBQ or whatever), and skate parks. In Japan they do one better and turned them into full blown malls and shopping areas. No matter where you want to put a parking lot, there's something better, more beneficial to society, less environmentally damaging, more conducive to a nice place to live, and more capitalistically valuable than the parking lot that can go there instead. And if you want to start talking about drilling holes in the ground to put parking lots, great, let's make them horizontal instead and spend that money on a subway. Cars are simply a bad solution to moving people, automated or otherwise. Ever hear the story about how they had to take realistic parking lots out of sim city, because they made the game boring? There's a reason for that.
  - thriftwy 3y ago
    All that does not preclude Taiwan from having a car per 3 people, and that includes infants and the elderly, as the saying goes. If you have these cars, stop pretending you don't need to handle the traffic. You do.
    - komali2 3y ago
      1 per 3 people? We're at like 2.8 per 10 in Taiwan. If Taiwan had 1 car per 3 people the country would be in permanent gridlock, there's absolutely not enough road infrastructure to handle that. Taipei already experiences near gridlock every single rushhour. We handle traffic with busses, MRT, docked bicycle rental system, and also the fact that our cities are very dense, with lots of small businesses like restaurants easily accessible from your house within a five minute walk. I'm arguing to get rid of the cars. Taiwan should do the same, for the record. I mean, the classic image illustrates the point perfectly https://danielbowen.com/2012/09/19/road-space-photo/ https://danielbowen.com/2012/09/19/road-space-photo/ there's just no way to justify private cars in a modern era with cities having multi-millions of people.