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> The whole thing seems like an accident of history that no one wants to fix I can’t really speak to Fuchsia systems, but a lot (most?) Linux desktop distros u

by jorvi 3y ago

> The whole thing seems like an accident of history that no one wants to fix I can’t really speak to Fuchsia systems, but a lot (most?) Linux desktop distros use stub or systemd-boot bootloading these days. And if you want to get fancy, there’s rEFInd.

DaSHacka 3y ago
> I can’t really speak to Fuchsia systems, but a lot (most?) Linux desktop distros use stub or systemd-boot bootloading these days. Which ones are you thinking of? Most 'desktop' distros I've used recently still default to Grub (Debian, Fedora, Linux Mint, Ubuntu) though I'd certainly be glad if change is on the horizon.
- JustSkyfall 3y ago
  Pop!OS has systemd-boot on systems with UEFI
- spookie 3y ago
  Arch install script defaults to systemd
- 01HNNWZ0MV43FF 3y ago
  I didn't know systemd had its own bootloader. I thought everything was still GRUB, I think all my systems are GRUB. Course I'm a few years out of date
WWLink 3y ago
Actually, with refind being a thing, I'm not sure why grub is still a thing. Also why MS' bootmgr stuff is still a flaming pile of junk. Edit: And why MS has never given us a way to dictate where it installs its junk and/or to not install its junk!!!!!!
- spockz 3y ago
  This is the reason why I disable all non windows drives in my machine before letting any Microsoft installer do its things.
- shuvuvt5 3y ago
  Windows is a bit better these days, if you create an EFI partition it'll just use that even if you've made it much larger than it normally creates for itself. This means you can just partition everything from Linux and then install windows safely into where you select.
acka 3y ago
Don't forget Syslinux[0], available for both legacy BIOS systems as well as EFI. All binaries except for the really low level stuff are in ELF format, so can be generated, linked and manipulated by tools which support this. [0]: https://wiki.syslinux.org/ https://wiki.syslinux.org/
raggi 3y ago
systemd’s efforts in the boot path are very welcome, they’re much better. Sadly as others have noted, a great many distros are still using grub. To clarify a bit too, as it seems it may not have been clear: grub was never run or installed inside a fuchsia system, I was building disk images from Linux hosts.
userbinator 3y ago
Isn't rEFInd a Hackintosh thing? That's the context I hear about it in, anyway.

by jorvi 3y ago

DaSHacka 3y ago

> I can’t really speak to Fuchsia systems, but a lot (most?) Linux desktop distros use stub or systemd-boot bootloading these days. Which ones are you thinking of? Most 'desktop' distros I've used recently still default to Grub (Debian, Fedora, Linux Mint, Ubuntu) though I'd certainly be glad if change is on the horizon.

JustSkyfall 3y ago
Pop!OS has systemd-boot on systems with UEFI
spookie 3y ago
Arch install script defaults to systemd
01HNNWZ0MV43FF 3y ago
I didn't know systemd had its own bootloader. I thought everything was still GRUB, I think all my systems are GRUB. Course I'm a few years out of date

WWLink 3y ago

Actually, with refind being a thing, I'm not sure why grub is still a thing. Also why MS' bootmgr stuff is still a flaming pile of junk. Edit: And why MS has never given us a way to dictate where it installs its junk and/or to not install its junk!!!!!!

spockz 3y ago
This is the reason why I disable all non windows drives in my machine before letting any Microsoft installer do its things.
shuvuvt5 3y ago
Windows is a bit better these days, if you create an EFI partition it'll just use that even if you've made it much larger than it normally creates for itself. This means you can just partition everything from Linux and then install windows safely into where you select.

acka 3y ago

Don't forget Syslinux[0], available for both legacy BIOS systems as well as EFI. All binaries except for the really low level stuff are in ELF format, so can be generated, linked and manipulated by tools which support this. [0]: https://wiki.syslinux.org/ https://wiki.syslinux.org/

raggi 3y ago

systemd’s efforts in the boot path are very welcome, they’re much better. Sadly as others have noted, a great many distros are still using grub. To clarify a bit too, as it seems it may not have been clear: grub was never run or installed inside a fuchsia system, I was building disk images from Linux hosts.

userbinator 3y ago

Isn't rEFInd a Hackintosh thing? That's the context I hear about it in, anyway.