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This is the attitude that has ruined the entire web. The real question should be: why is JavaScript necessary and what does it add? (In the majority of applicat

This is the attitude that has ruined the entire web. The real question should be: why is JavaScript necessary and what does it add? (In the majority of applications, absolutely nothing.)

speedgoose 3y ago
It adds interactivity and dynamic features that would be pretty slow or very challenging to implement in pure HTML/CSS.
- philwelch 3y ago
  That’s nice I guess, but these should be progressive enhancements and the page should still work without JavaScript enabled.
- deanishe 3y ago
  > pretty slow or very challenging to implement in pure HTML/CSS That's the heart of it, isn't it? It's challenging. At the core of modern web development is the attitude that developer convenience trumps all. The software is free after all. (The thousands you pay in bandwidth and hardware upgrade costs to keep running their bloatware doesn't count because none of that goes to the web developer, and is therefore irrelevant in their it's-all-about-me worldview.)
MasterIQ 3y ago
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Tommy430 3y ago
Agreed. Sadly it's due to the constant churn of tech these days. Developers should just take notes from the books on the shelf: don't change without consent unless you explicitly some change. Slightly off-topic: I've been viewing YouTube on a old YouTube frontend that works back to (at least iirc) IE6 and Win98 for some time now [1] [2] [3]. The frontend feels mad snappy as hell and it loads fast compared to YouTube today since the frontend is not heavily JavaScript reliant, it just uses it to enhance the site. [1] https://i.ibb.co/YpmFP91/yt2009-34.png https://i.ibb.co/YpmFP91/yt2009-34.png [2] https://i.ibb.co/THK0wk0/yt2009-35.png https://i.ibb.co/THK0wk0/yt2009-35.png [3] https://i.ibb.co/nk7nxZQ/yt2009-36.png https://i.ibb.co/nk7nxZQ/yt2009-36.png
- MasterIQ 3y ago
  Abuse of animation and skip of best-effort loading: This is probably more relevant to the sluggishness and bad interoperability, rather than JavaScript. [ Those abusing JavaScript for nefarious purposes: probably not the JavaScript to blame. ] Standards established don't necessarily imply being well-designed: Blindly following without thinking shall regardless trap. Many current infrastructures are fundamentally flawed and difficult to fix: 1 step wrong, all steps wrong.

This is the attitude that has ruined the entire web. The real question should be: why is JavaScript necessary and what does it add? (In the majority of applications, absolutely nothing.)

speedgoose 3y ago

It adds interactivity and dynamic features that would be pretty slow or very challenging to implement in pure HTML/CSS.

philwelch 3y ago
That’s nice I guess, but these should be progressive enhancements and the page should still work without JavaScript enabled.
deanishe 3y ago
> pretty slow or very challenging to implement in pure HTML/CSS That's the heart of it, isn't it? It's challenging. At the core of modern web development is the attitude that developer convenience trumps all. The software is free after all. (The thousands you pay in bandwidth and hardware upgrade costs to keep running their bloatware doesn't count because none of that goes to the web developer, and is therefore irrelevant in their it's-all-about-me worldview.)

MasterIQ 3y ago

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Tommy430 3y ago

Agreed. Sadly it's due to the constant churn of tech these days. Developers should just take notes from the books on the shelf: don't change without consent unless you explicitly some change. Slightly off-topic: I've been viewing YouTube on a old YouTube frontend that works back to (at least iirc) IE6 and Win98 for some time now [1] [2] [3]. The frontend feels mad snappy as hell and it loads fast compared to YouTube today since the frontend is not heavily JavaScript reliant, it just uses it to enhance the site. [1] https://i.ibb.co/YpmFP91/yt2009-34.png https://i.ibb.co/YpmFP91/yt2009-34.png [2] https://i.ibb.co/THK0wk0/yt2009-35.png https://i.ibb.co/THK0wk0/yt2009-35.png [3] https://i.ibb.co/nk7nxZQ/yt2009-36.png https://i.ibb.co/nk7nxZQ/yt2009-36.png

MasterIQ 3y ago
Abuse of animation and skip of best-effort loading: This is probably more relevant to the sluggishness and bad interoperability, rather than JavaScript. [ Those abusing JavaScript for nefarious purposes: probably not the JavaScript to blame. ] Standards established don't necessarily imply being well-designed: Blindly following without thinking shall regardless trap. Many current infrastructures are fundamentally flawed and difficult to fix: 1 step wrong, all steps wrong.