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Not only are they voting on it but there is bipartisan support for the Biggs Amendment, which tied at 212 votes. This is one of those issues that is so close th

Not only are they voting on it but there is bipartisan support for the Biggs Amendment, which tied at 212 votes. This is one of those issues that is so close that calling your rep would actually make a legitimate difference.

sneak 3y ago
Do you really think that the multitrillion dollar industry that thrives on surveilling the public would allow their private takeover of the US government to be thwarted by a few phone calls by civilians? This sort of surveillance power (the ability to peer into Microsoft, Google, Apple, Yahoo, AWS, Verizon, T-Mobile, and AT&T in realtime without a warrant) is the sort of thing that allows them to blackmail or extort every member of congress, every member of law enforcement, prosecutor, judge, or general in the country. There is no amount of political organizing that can usefully be brought to bear against the most powerful organization in the country (the CIA/IC) once they have obtained this capability (and they have, for years now).
- squigz 3y ago
  Then what do you recommend, if anything?
- Workaccount2 3y ago
  Yes, I do, and people should call. It's dumb defeatist attitude that causes nothing to be done.
- yazzku 3y ago
  Ok, let's just give up, then?
- wumeow 3y ago
  lol it was 212 to 212, that’s exactly what almost happened! And the only reason this passed today is that Republicans think they can kill it in 2 years.
  - webspinner 3y ago
    Yeah, that's exactly it, and I'm tired of them! Of course I'm tired of the other side too lol, that's why I became an LP member hah.
- heavyset_go 3y ago
  It's worth trying even against the odds.
- webspinner 3y ago
  Oh no, not anymore. Congress doesn't want themselves being surveilled in section 702 data. Sorry about the source, I'll link to a counterveilling article, although they come from both sides, I believe they both share similar messages. https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/04/tyranny-house-passes-bill-renew-fisa-warrantless-spy/ https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/04/tyranny-house-passe... https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2024/04/bad-amendments-section-702-have-failed-now-what-happens-next https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2024/04/bad-amendments-section...

sneak 3y ago

Do you really think that the multitrillion dollar industry that thrives on surveilling the public would allow their private takeover of the US government to be thwarted by a few phone calls by civilians? This sort of surveillance power (the ability to peer into Microsoft, Google, Apple, Yahoo, AWS, Verizon, T-Mobile, and AT&T in realtime without a warrant) is the sort of thing that allows them to blackmail or extort every member of congress, every member of law enforcement, prosecutor, judge, or general in the country. There is no amount of political organizing that can usefully be brought to bear against the most powerful organization in the country (the CIA/IC) once they have obtained this capability (and they have, for years now).

squigz 3y ago
Then what do you recommend, if anything?
Workaccount2 3y ago
Yes, I do, and people should call. It's dumb defeatist attitude that causes nothing to be done.
yazzku 3y ago
Ok, let's just give up, then?
wumeow 3y ago
lol it was 212 to 212, that’s exactly what almost happened! And the only reason this passed today is that Republicans think they can kill it in 2 years.
- webspinner 3y ago
  Yeah, that's exactly it, and I'm tired of them! Of course I'm tired of the other side too lol, that's why I became an LP member hah.
heavyset_go 3y ago
It's worth trying even against the odds.
webspinner 3y ago
Oh no, not anymore. Congress doesn't want themselves being surveilled in section 702 data. Sorry about the source, I'll link to a counterveilling article, although they come from both sides, I believe they both share similar messages. https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/04/tyranny-house-passes-bill-renew-fisa-warrantless-spy/ https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/04/tyranny-house-passe... https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2024/04/bad-amendments-section-702-have-failed-now-what-happens-next https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2024/04/bad-amendments-section...