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Any tips on how avoid Boeing planes when booking flights? My last flight was on a 737 and we were delayed an hour at the gate after boarding because of an issue
by nkrisc 3y ago
Any tips on how avoid Boeing planes when booking flights? My last flight was on a 737 and we were delayed an hour at the gate after boarding because of an issue with the thrust reverse on one of the engines. Not exactly reassuring.
- sammyteee 3y agoTbh, I feel like you wouldn't get much benefit avoiding Boeing specifically - but would be interesting to see the data and be proven wrong!
- spacecadet 3y agoI think, like me, this is about sending a message to Boeing.
- nkrisc 3y agoYou may be correct, but what else can I do other than avoid flying completely?
- xcv123 3y ago> would be interesting to see the data and be proven wrong! Here's some data https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_737_MAX#Accidents_and_incidents https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_737_MAX#Accidents_and_i... https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40010992 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40010992
- 15155 3y agoOk, now let's see some data denominated by number of flight hours.
- xcv123 3y agoLOL. Imagine having multiple whistleblowers telling you about widespread criminal negligence at Boeing manufacturing facilities, then all you say is "Ok, now let's see some data". The fucking clowns on this site. LOL.
- 15155 3y agoThis is called a "strawman argument." "Widespread criminal negligence" or not, these incidents are mathematically insignificant using highschool-level statistical analyses.
- xcv123 3y agoNo it's not a strawman argument. You are missing the point. The article is about a whistleblower reporting criminal negligence at Boeing. It is not a statistical report. Statistics are irrelevant here. However if you want some recent Boeing stats then look at the 737 Max. Two complete losses within two years of its introduction. You must have been living in a cave to not hear about that. From the article. "In a virtual meeting with reporters, Salehpour said Boeing was so eager to meet its production goals that it took "shortcuts" when it fastened together the carbon-composite fuselage of the 787. That could dramatically shorten the life of the plane, he warned, potentially causing it to break apart in mid-flight."
- passwordoops 3y agoAirlines usually let you know the plane build when you search for flights. They don't have a filter or "sort by" but when you click open flight details the plane will be listed. Of course it doesn't preclude them from moving you to another flight or changing equipment
- nness 3y agoYou'll have to investigate the fleet owned by each airline and pick airlines which pick non-Boeing aircraft. Because pilots trained on a Boeing aircraft can't just jump to a different airframe (i.e. origin of the MAX disaster,) or manufacturer without training, a lot of airlines will prefer one over the other. But this will vary with the routes they fly, and how old vs. new their fleet is. If you're in the US, that is going to be very difficult. In EU, its more likely but will depend on the carrier. I think it is next to impossible to accomplish on a per-flight basis, given frequent equipment changes can be.
- belter 3y agoKayak let's you select: https://youtu.be/Q8oCilY4szc?t=1695 https://youtu.be/Q8oCilY4szc?t=1695 Also historical flight data like on https://www.flightradar24.com/ https://www.flightradar24.com/ Will let you go back hundreds of flights, and find the airplane the airline uses most of the time, for that flight.
- soco 3y agoMy recent impression is that more than anything it's not the plane but the airline which makes the biggest difference. Like, if Southwest had Airbuses pieces would have flown off just as well because of the airline's peculiar maintenance procedures.
- PedroBatista 3y agoThose types of problems happen all the time ( perhaps more with Boeing ), these are incredibly complex machines that are worked to the bone. The scary part is the nature of the faults! With all the shenanigans with design, production, QA and management at Boeing that even a Detroit automaker would frown upon.
- jfim 3y agoSome of the low cost carriers fly exclusively non-Boeing planes: Spirit, JetBlue, Frontier.
- jitl 3y agoJetBlue is not priced like a low cost carrier, their service over all is much better than United’s and they don’t charge for wifi. I’m a fan of their SFO <-> NY/FLL routes.
- 15155 3y agoDoes Boeing make jet engines? Why would a thrust reverser on a CFM56 installed on a 737 be Boeing's responsibility any more than one installed on an A319?