4 ms·

Maybe you're not thinking about it enough? Do you know anyone who has been almost fatally stabbed (attacked by gangs) with knives? I do! It likely violates a co

Maybe you're not thinking about it enough? Do you know anyone who has been almost fatally stabbed (attacked by gangs) with knives? I do! It likely violates a code-of-conduct and is unprofessional.

reacharavindh 3y ago
Isn’t it tiring to think about every possible offence in the world and how someone somewhere will be offended by (knives, tires, cars, pens, saws, sharks, planes, needles, ropes, speakers, games, … you get the point) while writing an article about a programming language? At some point one needs to exercise common sense and learn to live in a public society where people speak and not everyone is out to offend you.
- netprole 3y ago
  What does a weapon (a knife) have to do with an article about a programming language?
  - reacharavindh 3y ago
    Exactly, then why does it matter that the author had anything in their post as a figure of speech or analogy? Is it wrong to post a meme of a dog sitting near fire - https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/this-is-fine https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/this-is-fine As a joke from SREs who handle firefighting calls? Does it offend dog lovers, people who are scared of fire?
    - netprole 3y ago
      I don't think I understand the comparison. Can you think of another one that involves a weapon and directed violence?
      - reacharavindh 3y ago
        It’s simple. You ignore fire as a bad thing and don’t even consider that as equivalent comparison to a knife. But someone who was affected by arson probably will say “why include fire in a blog post?!” . My point is, it is not on the author to think about all these effect when they write/speak. As a mature society, we should learn to not expect every source to filter their thoughts and rather expect the consumer to filter out what they don’t want. By not valuing fire/arson at the same level of concern as Knife(important to you), you just validated the core of the problem.
        netprole 3y ago
        Thanks for engaging, but I don't think I follow you. Can you think of another example that specifically involves a weapon and directed violence?
      - adrian_b 3y ago
        When I see a knife, it never suggests a weapon, unless it is the kind of knife that is really a weapon, like a double-edged stiletto, or it is wielded by someone who has obvious intentions to use it as a weapon. The knife from that logo does not look like a weapon, but just like a standard utility knife. Moreover, a crab cannot move a knife in the way in which it is used as a weapon, e.g. for stabbing, but only in a way similar to a human who eats using a knife. Therefore a crab does not suggest someone who uses a knife for violent purposes. For people like myself, who do not buy industrially-made food, there is no other tool more important than knives. Without using knives every day, I would starve to death. So you may be offended by seeing a knife that in your mind looks like a weapon, but I am offended when someone claims that one of the most essential, if not the most essential tool of the humans suggests violence or other bad things. Some people may use knives seldom or never, but then their lives are completely dependent of the work of other humans who use knives to produce the things that sustain the lives of those who do not use knives.
        tracker1 3y ago
        Thank you. Sometimes these trains of sensitivity in thought threads can be annoying. I definitely appreciate your contextual perspective and the ability to express it much more clearly and calmly than my own initial reaction. I'm not sure if we submit, as a society, need to see more Tex Avery cartoons as children. I genuinely feel that either a new civil war in the US and or global conflict is eminent and the young of today are largely ill prepared to say the least.
  - magicalhippo 3y ago
    I have no association with any of these communities, but the crab holding a knife was a somewhat well-known meme[1]. I guess it can also be viewed as a play on words, given that crablang is a fork. Given that the creators of crablang explicitly say it was a "lighthearted response"[2] to some of Rust's changes, it makes sense that they'd use a meme for a logo. That said, seems you're not alone in wanting a different logo[3]. [1]: https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/you-mess-with-crabo-you-get-a-stabo https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/you-mess-with-crabo-you-get-a... [2]: https://crablang.org/ https://crablang.org/ [3]: https://github.com/crablang/crab/issues/59 https://github.com/crablang/crab/issues/59
    - netprole 3y ago
      Ah, I think I remember that image meme from a long time ago (I never would have connected those dots). Thanks for the context here, it actually helps take the edge off!
      - deleted 3y ago
        [deleted]
      - magicalhippo 3y ago
        That's the challenge with these inside jokes. If you don't get the context, and I didn't recall it instantly either, usually the interpretation will be wildly different.

Maybe you're not thinking about it enough? Do you know anyone who has been almost fatally stabbed (attacked by gangs) with knives? I do! It likely violates a code-of-conduct and is unprofessional.

reacharavindh 3y ago

Isn’t it tiring to think about every possible offence in the world and how someone somewhere will be offended by (knives, tires, cars, pens, saws, sharks, planes, needles, ropes, speakers, games, … you get the point) while writing an article about a programming language? At some point one needs to exercise common sense and learn to live in a public society where people speak and not everyone is out to offend you.

netprole 3y ago
What does a weapon (a knife) have to do with an article about a programming language?
- reacharavindh 3y ago
  Exactly, then why does it matter that the author had anything in their post as a figure of speech or analogy? Is it wrong to post a meme of a dog sitting near fire - https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/this-is-fine https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/this-is-fine As a joke from SREs who handle firefighting calls? Does it offend dog lovers, people who are scared of fire?
  - netprole 3y ago
    I don't think I understand the comparison. Can you think of another one that involves a weapon and directed violence?
    - reacharavindh 3y ago
      It’s simple. You ignore fire as a bad thing and don’t even consider that as equivalent comparison to a knife. But someone who was affected by arson probably will say “why include fire in a blog post?!” . My point is, it is not on the author to think about all these effect when they write/speak. As a mature society, we should learn to not expect every source to filter their thoughts and rather expect the consumer to filter out what they don’t want. By not valuing fire/arson at the same level of concern as Knife(important to you), you just validated the core of the problem.
      - netprole 3y ago
        Thanks for engaging, but I don't think I follow you. Can you think of another example that specifically involves a weapon and directed violence?
    - adrian_b 3y ago
      When I see a knife, it never suggests a weapon, unless it is the kind of knife that is really a weapon, like a double-edged stiletto, or it is wielded by someone who has obvious intentions to use it as a weapon. The knife from that logo does not look like a weapon, but just like a standard utility knife. Moreover, a crab cannot move a knife in the way in which it is used as a weapon, e.g. for stabbing, but only in a way similar to a human who eats using a knife. Therefore a crab does not suggest someone who uses a knife for violent purposes. For people like myself, who do not buy industrially-made food, there is no other tool more important than knives. Without using knives every day, I would starve to death. So you may be offended by seeing a knife that in your mind looks like a weapon, but I am offended when someone claims that one of the most essential, if not the most essential tool of the humans suggests violence or other bad things. Some people may use knives seldom or never, but then their lives are completely dependent of the work of other humans who use knives to produce the things that sustain the lives of those who do not use knives.
      - tracker1 3y ago
        Thank you. Sometimes these trains of sensitivity in thought threads can be annoying. I definitely appreciate your contextual perspective and the ability to express it much more clearly and calmly than my own initial reaction. I'm not sure if we submit, as a society, need to see more Tex Avery cartoons as children. I genuinely feel that either a new civil war in the US and or global conflict is eminent and the young of today are largely ill prepared to say the least.
- magicalhippo 3y ago
  I have no association with any of these communities, but the crab holding a knife was a somewhat well-known meme[1]. I guess it can also be viewed as a play on words, given that crablang is a fork. Given that the creators of crablang explicitly say it was a "lighthearted response"[2] to some of Rust's changes, it makes sense that they'd use a meme for a logo. That said, seems you're not alone in wanting a different logo[3]. [1]: https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/you-mess-with-crabo-you-get-a-stabo https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/you-mess-with-crabo-you-get-a... [2]: https://crablang.org/ https://crablang.org/ [3]: https://github.com/crablang/crab/issues/59 https://github.com/crablang/crab/issues/59
  - netprole 3y ago
    Ah, I think I remember that image meme from a long time ago (I never would have connected those dots). Thanks for the context here, it actually helps take the edge off!
    - deleted 3y ago
      [deleted]
    - magicalhippo 3y ago
      That's the challenge with these inside jokes. If you don't get the context, and I didn't recall it instantly either, usually the interpretation will be wildly different.