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I used to think the same until contemplating how many destroyed families the drug trafficking penalties of Singapore have prevented.
by bufferout 2y ago
I used to think the same until contemplating how many destroyed families the drug trafficking penalties of Singapore have prevented.
- holoduke 2y agoHow many exactly?
- can16358p 2y agoHaving drug trafficking laws to prevent (potential) destroyed families is one thing (though I think all drugs should be legal and no government should have right to dictate what you can put into your own body, but that's not the point at this thread), but regardless of the extent of the crime, I think death sentence is unacceptable in any civilized justice system.
- thinkerswell 2y ago[dead]
- lostmsu 2y agoYou really did not give any arguments for why it is unacceptable.
- SliceOfWaifu 2y agoCause innocent people are sometimes wrongly convicted, and sentenced to death. Life behind bars without the possibility of parole achieves pretty much the same effect for public safety, while still giving the wrongly accused a chance to live. There are also rare cases in which new evidence overturns their conviction decades into their sentence. If they're put to death, they never get that chance.
- logicchains 2y agoHow many families have the Singapore government's authoritarian policies prevented from even existing, given it's got the third lowest fertility rate in the world; hardly evidence of a place where people feel comfortable to raise families.
- noobermin 2y agoThe authoritarianism isn't why sg has a low fertility rate anymore than it being the reason the birth rate is below replacement in the west which isn't considered authoritarian.
- vishalontheline 2y agoHans Rossling's talk, "The best stats you've ever seen" had something to say about this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVimVzgtD6w https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVimVzgtD6w Urbanization and education are the two most effective ways of getting a population to have fewer children. Singapore is a highly educated and urbanized country.
- petre 2y agoI just hope their population will be replaced by the Indians and Indonesians working to sustain their economy. Same goes for Dubai.
- squokko 2y agoIf that happens, it will come to resemble an Indian or Indonesian city.
- ifwinterco 2y agoThis is a bit of a weird comment about Singapore because a significant part of their population is and always has been ethnically Indian (Tamil)
- ta_9390 2y agoI am pretty sure cost of living is #1 reason and certainly not education.
- bitcharmer 2y agoU mean like, people why had a few grams on weed on them?
- aembleton 2y agoWhere would you cut off be?
- fransje26 2y agoThey don't cut off in Singapore. It's death by hanging.
- xuki 2y agoNobody is getting executed by having a few gr of weed on them, one needs to actively distributing it and in large amount (500 gr). Singapore is very strict but they’re not executing their citizens for consuming drugs.
- 99catmaster 2y agoI hope you also contemplate how many innocent people (usually undocumented migrant workers) have been scapegoated in drug trials and executed…
- mlazos 2y agoI used to support the death penalty, but inevitably it is used by the state against the vulnerable, poor, and politically weak. If there’s even the possibility of one innocent person being killed, it is a perverse justice.
- idopmstuff 2y agoThat certainly doesn't seem to be the case here.
- jbm 2y agoContext is important here. Considering Asia's history with drugs (European imperialists growing drugs in their colonies and then selling them to China to destroy their population), it is completely understandable and a societally acceptable trade off. I think after a few more generations of escalating drug use harming our societal well being, we may resort to similar measures.