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You can't just make people do what you want because you think it's better. IRC is unusable to the average person without significant investment whereas Discord

You can't just make people do what you want because you think it's better. IRC is unusable to the average person without significant investment whereas Discord is immediately familiar. Discord is more popular than IRC because to most people it's better.

daeros 3y ago
It astonishes me that the prospect of being on a platform where literally you would never have to pay for access to anything that could be digitized again in your entire life is not enough incentive to overcome this reluctance. IRC is the motherload from where all Warez originates. How the fuck is that not enough?
- seanw444 3y ago
  Everthing is a tradeoff between convenience and freedom. Clearly the majority of people have decided convenience beats freedom.
- Gigachad 3y ago
  IRC does not work on mobile without paying a 3rd party to proxy it for you.
  - ranger_danger 3y ago
    demonstrably false
    - daeros 3y ago
      Further, even if it were the case, it's the fault of android and Apple developers for having failed to implement a client for mobile. An issue that could and ought to be resolved.
      - Gigachad 3y ago
        You can’t create a proper client for it because IRC does not have a standardised backlog functionality.
        daeros 3y ago
        Um if you need backlogging, as I noted, a Bouncer will provide. if they don't provide it for free hosting this on something like a digital ocean droplet can implement it, but then again, it can get expensive. https://github.com/znc/znc https://github.com/znc/znc
        Gigachad 3y ago
        Everyone needs backlogging. If you open your phone, check a chat, but can only read messages sent at the exact moment you had the chat open, it doesn’t work. Telling everyone to rent a VPS and run a server to hack in an essential feature is insane.
        daeros 3y ago
        I Don't. I barely use my smartphone and Heavily prefer my fully featured laptop. https://ircv3.net/specs/extensions/chathistory https://ircv3.net/specs/extensions/chathistory Plus, again, IT's not necessary to rent a VPS. IrcV3 has a module for backlogging. You just have to actually plug it in and use it.
        daeros 3y ago
        https://ircv3.net/specs/extensions/chathistory https://ircv3.net/specs/extensions/chathistory plus backlogging, I do appreciate that it's a module and not, you know, Standard.
        Gigachad 3y ago
        IrcV3 is an improvement but it’s very much a too little too late situation. They should have been discussing this in 2005. Now it’s too late since the users have all left.
    - Gigachad 3y ago
      By does not work, I don’t mean that you literally can’t connect, but that you can’t practically use it. Since you need to maintain a constant connection to irc for it to work, it’s unusable on mobile since the connection will be killed as soon as you switch app or lock the screen. Which is why everyone used irccloud. The experience is pretty sub standard even on desktop. Back in the day I ended up IP banned from the whole of freenode because my internet connection was flaky while I was away and I ended up banned for spamming join/quit messages.
      - daeros 3y ago
        "Back in the day, I ended up IP banned from the whole of free node because my internet connection was flaky while I was away, and I ended up banned for spamming join/quit messages. " Ouch. I feel you there. Intermittent connectivity can truly suck. I've had issues like that before. I try not to connect to IRC in situations like that. but these issues can often be resolved with a Bouncer. like, I was beginning to wonder why you were saying what you said. I was going to be like what do you need logging or such? I honestly prefer the logging situation on IRC. People will expect you to read the entire backlog on discord. Discord is indeed free of cost which could save enterprises money I suppose. The ocst of maintaining a BNC for networks that don't offer it for free can get high. Running ZNC was beginning to cause hash ocean to ask me for over 100 a month. But Rizon and the networks I use most frequently run their own free of cost that provides permannence so you get your backlog.
      - ranger_danger 3y ago
        bouncers are a thing.
daeros 3y ago
And of that familiarity, I could instantly skewer it rather quickly in the sense that Discord is a bloated RAM hog that uses too many system resources, and will slow a gamers PC down. Honestly, ventrilo was superior for gamers. And IRCloud fixes most of their complaints. They should prefer lightweight voice chat protocols.
- Martinussen 3y ago
  > Discord is a bloated RAM hog that uses too many system resources, and will slow a gamers PC down. Not enough to matter for the vast majority of people, not even humanly noticeable for most of them. How does that skewer anything? Most people have Chrome running in the background behind their games too, maybe one or two apps like G-hub or Razer(whatever they call theirs), one to several apps like steam/origin/epic games, etc.. This clearly isn't a relevant argument to normal users, or to serious/professional gamers.

daeros 3y ago

It astonishes me that the prospect of being on a platform where literally you would never have to pay for access to anything that could be digitized again in your entire life is not enough incentive to overcome this reluctance. IRC is the motherload from where all Warez originates. How the fuck is that not enough?

seanw444 3y ago
Everthing is a tradeoff between convenience and freedom. Clearly the majority of people have decided convenience beats freedom.
Gigachad 3y ago
IRC does not work on mobile without paying a 3rd party to proxy it for you.
- ranger_danger 3y ago
  demonstrably false
  - daeros 3y ago
    Further, even if it were the case, it's the fault of android and Apple developers for having failed to implement a client for mobile. An issue that could and ought to be resolved.
    - Gigachad 3y ago
      You can’t create a proper client for it because IRC does not have a standardised backlog functionality.
      - daeros 3y ago
        Um if you need backlogging, as I noted, a Bouncer will provide. if they don't provide it for free hosting this on something like a digital ocean droplet can implement it, but then again, it can get expensive. https://github.com/znc/znc https://github.com/znc/znc
        Gigachad 3y ago
        Everyone needs backlogging. If you open your phone, check a chat, but can only read messages sent at the exact moment you had the chat open, it doesn’t work. Telling everyone to rent a VPS and run a server to hack in an essential feature is insane.
        daeros 3y ago
        I Don't. I barely use my smartphone and Heavily prefer my fully featured laptop. https://ircv3.net/specs/extensions/chathistory https://ircv3.net/specs/extensions/chathistory Plus, again, IT's not necessary to rent a VPS. IrcV3 has a module for backlogging. You just have to actually plug it in and use it.
      - daeros 3y ago
        https://ircv3.net/specs/extensions/chathistory https://ircv3.net/specs/extensions/chathistory plus backlogging, I do appreciate that it's a module and not, you know, Standard.
        Gigachad 3y ago
        IrcV3 is an improvement but it’s very much a too little too late situation. They should have been discussing this in 2005. Now it’s too late since the users have all left.
  - Gigachad 3y ago
    By does not work, I don’t mean that you literally can’t connect, but that you can’t practically use it. Since you need to maintain a constant connection to irc for it to work, it’s unusable on mobile since the connection will be killed as soon as you switch app or lock the screen. Which is why everyone used irccloud. The experience is pretty sub standard even on desktop. Back in the day I ended up IP banned from the whole of freenode because my internet connection was flaky while I was away and I ended up banned for spamming join/quit messages.
    - daeros 3y ago
      "Back in the day, I ended up IP banned from the whole of free node because my internet connection was flaky while I was away, and I ended up banned for spamming join/quit messages. " Ouch. I feel you there. Intermittent connectivity can truly suck. I've had issues like that before. I try not to connect to IRC in situations like that. but these issues can often be resolved with a Bouncer. like, I was beginning to wonder why you were saying what you said. I was going to be like what do you need logging or such? I honestly prefer the logging situation on IRC. People will expect you to read the entire backlog on discord. Discord is indeed free of cost which could save enterprises money I suppose. The ocst of maintaining a BNC for networks that don't offer it for free can get high. Running ZNC was beginning to cause hash ocean to ask me for over 100 a month. But Rizon and the networks I use most frequently run their own free of cost that provides permannence so you get your backlog.
    - ranger_danger 3y ago
      bouncers are a thing.

daeros 3y ago

And of that familiarity, I could instantly skewer it rather quickly in the sense that Discord is a bloated RAM hog that uses too many system resources, and will slow a gamers PC down. Honestly, ventrilo was superior for gamers. And IRCloud fixes most of their complaints. They should prefer lightweight voice chat protocols.

Martinussen 3y ago
> Discord is a bloated RAM hog that uses too many system resources, and will slow a gamers PC down. Not enough to matter for the vast majority of people, not even humanly noticeable for most of them. How does that skewer anything? Most people have Chrome running in the background behind their games too, maybe one or two apps like G-hub or Razer(whatever they call theirs), one to several apps like steam/origin/epic games, etc.. This clearly isn't a relevant argument to normal users, or to serious/professional gamers.