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I beg to differ, most people are whiny spoiled brats who could easily suck it up and learn how to use IRC if they were determined enough to do so, this is not
by daeros 3y ago
I beg to differ, most people are whiny spoiled brats who could easily suck it up and learn how to use IRC if they were determined enough to do so, this is not a matter of ability, it's a matter of will.
- shepherdjerred 3y agoYou can't just make people do what you want because you think it's better. IRC is unusable to the average person without significant investment whereas Discord is immediately familiar. Discord is more popular than IRC because to most people it's better.
- daeros 3y agoIt astonishes me that the prospect of being on a platform where literally you would never have to pay for access to anything that could be digitized again in your entire life is not enough incentive to overcome this reluctance. IRC is the motherload from where all Warez originates. How the fuck is that not enough?
- seanw444 3y agoEverthing is a tradeoff between convenience and freedom. Clearly the majority of people have decided convenience beats freedom.
- Gigachad 3y agoIRC does not work on mobile without paying a 3rd party to proxy it for you.
- ranger_danger 3y agodemonstrably false
- daeros 3y agoFurther, even if it were the case, it's the fault of android and Apple developers for having failed to implement a client for mobile. An issue that could and ought to be resolved.
- Gigachad 3y agoYou can’t create a proper client for it because IRC does not have a standardised backlog functionality.
- daeros 3y agoUm if you need backlogging, as I noted, a Bouncer will provide. if they don't provide it for free hosting this on something like a digital ocean droplet can implement it, but then again, it can get expensive. https://github.com/znc/znc https://github.com/znc/znc
- Gigachad 3y agoEveryone needs backlogging. If you open your phone, check a chat, but can only read messages sent at the exact moment you had the chat open, it doesn’t work. Telling everyone to rent a VPS and run a server to hack in an essential feature is insane.
- daeros 3y agoI Don't. I barely use my smartphone and Heavily prefer my fully featured laptop. https://ircv3.net/specs/extensions/chathistory https://ircv3.net/specs/extensions/chathistory Plus, again, IT's not necessary to rent a VPS. IrcV3 has a module for backlogging. You just have to actually plug it in and use it.
- daeros 3y agohttps://ircv3.net/specs/extensions/chathistory https://ircv3.net/specs/extensions/chathistory plus backlogging, I do appreciate that it's a module and not, you know, Standard.
- daeros 3y agoAnd of that familiarity, I could instantly skewer it rather quickly in the sense that Discord is a bloated RAM hog that uses too many system resources, and will slow a gamers PC down. Honestly, ventrilo was superior for gamers. And IRCloud fixes most of their complaints. They should prefer lightweight voice chat protocols.
- Martinussen 3y ago> Discord is a bloated RAM hog that uses too many system resources, and will slow a gamers PC down. Not enough to matter for the vast majority of people, not even humanly noticeable for most of them. How does that skewer anything? Most people have Chrome running in the background behind their games too, maybe one or two apps like G-hub or Razer(whatever they call theirs), one to several apps like steam/origin/epic games, etc.. This clearly isn't a relevant argument to normal users, or to serious/professional gamers.
- ParetoOptimal 3y agoPeople not programming their computers with a needle, magnet, and steady hand are whiny spoiled brats who need to suck it up. /s UX, usability, and accessibility all matter.
- daeros 3y ago"UX, usability, and accessibility all matter." Alright. https://www.irccloud.com/ https://www.irccloud.com/ fixd.
- daeros 3y agoEvery "problem" the IRC protocol faces, including UX, can be fixed.
- daeros 3y agoWhy waste time redeveloping the wheel when what we should be doing is modernizing IRC to bring it into the 2020s and adapting what we already have and know works into something more familiar to these n00bs?
- moe_sc 3y agoThere is probably a lot of stuff you don't know, that would be quite helpful for you. Are you a whiny, spoiled brat, now that you don't know all of it? No, sometimes you need to know something to see it's value.
- moe_sc 3y agoThere is probably a lot of stuff you don't know, that would be quite helpful for you. Are you a whiny, spoiled brat, now that you don't know all of it? No, sometimes you need to know something to see it's value.
- daeros 3y agoPeople don't know a lot about IRC so they don't see it's value.