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Debatable.

by gsich 3y ago

Debatable.

thiht 3y ago
It’s not debatable that Matrix is better than IRC. The IRC clients are mostly bad and ugly, and they don’t even implement basic formatting features (bold, italic) in the same way. NickServ sucks. Having to use bouncers to keep track of history sucks, this only makes it a non suitable choice for a chat platform today. Does IRC even support long messages and multi line messages yet? Oh and btw, net split is not acceptable today.
- AAAAaccountAAAA 2y ago
  Matrix is not better than IRC. It is in some ways much worse. While I get that IRC has not exactly aged well, Matrix' performance and reliability problems are much worse than the very rare netsplits. IRC sucks, but it can be made more or less tolerable with things like IRCCloud or Lounge (or tmux+weehcat if you happen to prefer something like that), but AFAIK nothing can help with the poor performance and the unreliability of Matrix. While Matrix developers have finally acknowledged the problems, they have run out of venture capital, and have hard time getting any funding to fix the protocol, clients and servers.
- gsich 2y ago
  It is. They might be ugly, but most are fast. It shouldn't take more than 0.1s to display a new tab or channel.
- daeros 3y ago
  Hahahaha, the lack of features is a feature. All that shit is bloat, no thank you.
  - thiht 3y ago
    Yeah, not having proper nickname ownership beyond the crap NickServ offers is not a feature, it's a gross overlook from a time where we could afford to be naive on the internet. And considering multiline messages as "bloat" is a wild take to be honest.
    - daeros 3y ago
      More "basic formatting features (bold, italic)" No, thanks. If Discord were, you know, open source, The way I compiled it would strip those options out as well as any edits to pure ASCII Smileys.
    - daeros 3y ago
      Why either, when I first went online bandwidth sucks, it still sucks even in the United States today only it sucks more upstream, especially, when in the world of file sharing, everyone hates a leach. Given that, Rich text support is not wanted. I would however like to be able to Share VIDEO Over RCS that's not so tiny. Rich text might not take much bandwidth, but I'm focused right now on removing and DNS sink holing all unwanted packets. Tracking, adverts, etc. So the little bandwidth it takes, yeah sure, but multiply that with everything else that's eating it, and it's another leak to remove.

Debatable.

by gsich 3y ago

Debatable.

It’s not debatable that Matrix is better than IRC. The IRC clients are mostly bad and ugly, and they don’t even implement basic formatting features (bold, italic) in the same way. NickServ sucks. Having to use bouncers to keep track of history sucks, this only makes it a non suitable choice for a chat platform today. Does IRC even support long messages and multi line messages yet? Oh and btw, net split is not acceptable today.

AAAAaccountAAAA 2y ago
Matrix is not better than IRC. It is in some ways much worse. While I get that IRC has not exactly aged well, Matrix' performance and reliability problems are much worse than the very rare netsplits. IRC sucks, but it can be made more or less tolerable with things like IRCCloud or Lounge (or tmux+weehcat if you happen to prefer something like that), but AFAIK nothing can help with the poor performance and the unreliability of Matrix. While Matrix developers have finally acknowledged the problems, they have run out of venture capital, and have hard time getting any funding to fix the protocol, clients and servers.
gsich 2y ago
It is. They might be ugly, but most are fast. It shouldn't take more than 0.1s to display a new tab or channel.
daeros 3y ago
Hahahaha, the lack of features is a feature. All that shit is bloat, no thank you.
- thiht 3y ago
  Yeah, not having proper nickname ownership beyond the crap NickServ offers is not a feature, it's a gross overlook from a time where we could afford to be naive on the internet. And considering multiline messages as "bloat" is a wild take to be honest.
  - daeros 3y ago
    More "basic formatting features (bold, italic)" No, thanks. If Discord were, you know, open source, The way I compiled it would strip those options out as well as any edits to pure ASCII Smileys.
  - daeros 3y ago
    Why either, when I first went online bandwidth sucks, it still sucks even in the United States today only it sucks more upstream, especially, when in the world of file sharing, everyone hates a leach. Given that, Rich text support is not wanted. I would however like to be able to Share VIDEO Over RCS that's not so tiny. Rich text might not take much bandwidth, but I'm focused right now on removing and DNS sink holing all unwanted packets. Tracking, adverts, etc. So the little bandwidth it takes, yeah sure, but multiply that with everything else that's eating it, and it's another leak to remove.