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Denis Villeneuve is another example of a universally loved director, and he is not often criticized for obvious compromises. Villeneuve's good friend Christoph

by seanc 2y ago

Denis Villeneuve is another example of a universally loved director, and he is not often criticized for obvious compromises. Villeneuve's good friend Christopher Nolan presents as a bit more of a prickly pear, but he has a very long list of long-time collaborators on both sides of the camera so he's probably not that bad. In fact, more than a few of those behind-the-scenes folks collaborate with both Villeneuve and Nolan. It would be interesting to hear them compare an contrast.

hammock 2y ago
Not sure I'm following on Denis, his most loved movies are all remakes of singular masterpieces (Dune, Sicario, Blade Runner)
- pja 2y ago
  Sicario was an original screenplay by Taylor Sheridan: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sicario_%282015_film https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sicario_%282015_film. Calling the other two "remakes" seems unnecessarily reductive imo.
- feoren 2y ago
  You conveniently left out Arrival. Also, Blade Runner 2049 was not a remake, but a sequel with original content. Also, Dune was a book adaptation, not a remake. Also, that's just a weird reason to reject a director. Is it easier to direct a movie that's set in an existing universe? Should we reject all World War 2 movies as potential masterpieces since they're just remakes of a thing that happened?
  - mattbuilds 2y ago
    Just to further your point, we are in a thread about Kubrick who did numerous book adaptations including Lolita, Dr. Strangelove, The Shining, and Clockwork Orange and this is just off the top of my head. Tons of directors adapt novels. Bringing the story to the screen is the skill.
    - phinnaeus 2y ago
      As an aside, 2001 is an interesting case as it was produced concurrently with the novel. It's clearly not an adaptation, but I wouldn't say it's clearly original material either.
- jajko 2y ago
  Please don't troll here, its not well received (and shouldn't be)
- jjulius 2y ago
  The point isn't really the films that they've made, but the experiences others have had underneath those directors when making them.
martin_balsam 2y ago
Chris Nolan famously drives all his production designers insane! No one has made more then one film with him. Apparently he also only shoots 3 or 4 takes per shot, and goes ballistic if somethings goes wrong.
echelon 2y ago
Dune took "Show Don't Tell" the the utmost extreme that it practically inverted upon itself. There's no character development to speak of, the plot is secondary, and visual spectacle is placed front and center. I tire of movies with lazy expositional dialogue, but this was absurd in the other direction.
- Waterluvian 2y ago
  I loved every second of it. It was so refreshing. I guess what’s great for both of us is that there’s just so many movies these days.
  - echelon 2y ago
    > I guess what’s great for both of us is that there’s just so many movies these days I vehemently disagree, and I'm not simply being argumentative -- this is something I've held as a strong opinion for decades. I can count on my hand the number of high fantasy series that have been filmed and that have been good. Or the number of spacefaring sci-fi films. I've seen thousands of movies, yet I'd consider fewer than 10% of them "good". Very few sit with me for days after the theater. This world doesn't have enough film. I know my interests aren't being catered to.
    - nwienert 2y ago
      You're lucky, I find something like <2% enjoyable to actually give real attention to. For that reason I watch basically 0 TV or movies anymore. And feels like the less I watch, the less I can watch anything without immediately being annoyed at cheese, cheapness, and mostly just plain unrealistic characters or dialogue (which really and truly is 99% it seems like of shows). I need either high art or a slice of life. Ghibli or Satoshi Kon for anime, stuff like Kubrick in film, or Mad Men for TV. Mad Men especially was my turning point where after that show I couldn't stomach much else. Call me elitist. I watch lower quality YouTube stuff much more easily (at low attention), but once you're trying to sign me up for 30 minutes or more I just give up. Tried watching the 3 Body Problem on Netflix and in just the first scenes (cultural revolution + the scientists convo on God) were so full of cringe. I kept it on as background a bit but petered out after a few episodes.
napierzaza 2y ago
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by seanc 2y ago

hammock 2y ago

Not sure I'm following on Denis, his most loved movies are all remakes of singular masterpieces (Dune, Sicario, Blade Runner)

pja 2y ago
Sicario was an original screenplay by Taylor Sheridan: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sicario_%282015_film https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sicario_%282015_film. Calling the other two "remakes" seems unnecessarily reductive imo.
feoren 2y ago
You conveniently left out Arrival. Also, Blade Runner 2049 was not a remake, but a sequel with original content. Also, Dune was a book adaptation, not a remake. Also, that's just a weird reason to reject a director. Is it easier to direct a movie that's set in an existing universe? Should we reject all World War 2 movies as potential masterpieces since they're just remakes of a thing that happened?
- mattbuilds 2y ago
  Just to further your point, we are in a thread about Kubrick who did numerous book adaptations including Lolita, Dr. Strangelove, The Shining, and Clockwork Orange and this is just off the top of my head. Tons of directors adapt novels. Bringing the story to the screen is the skill.
  - phinnaeus 2y ago
    As an aside, 2001 is an interesting case as it was produced concurrently with the novel. It's clearly not an adaptation, but I wouldn't say it's clearly original material either.
jajko 2y ago
Please don't troll here, its not well received (and shouldn't be)
jjulius 2y ago
The point isn't really the films that they've made, but the experiences others have had underneath those directors when making them.

martin_balsam 2y ago

Chris Nolan famously drives all his production designers insane! No one has made more then one film with him. Apparently he also only shoots 3 or 4 takes per shot, and goes ballistic if somethings goes wrong.

echelon 2y ago

Dune took "Show Don't Tell" the the utmost extreme that it practically inverted upon itself. There's no character development to speak of, the plot is secondary, and visual spectacle is placed front and center. I tire of movies with lazy expositional dialogue, but this was absurd in the other direction.

Waterluvian 2y ago
I loved every second of it. It was so refreshing. I guess what’s great for both of us is that there’s just so many movies these days.
- echelon 2y ago
  > I guess what’s great for both of us is that there’s just so many movies these days I vehemently disagree, and I'm not simply being argumentative -- this is something I've held as a strong opinion for decades. I can count on my hand the number of high fantasy series that have been filmed and that have been good. Or the number of spacefaring sci-fi films. I've seen thousands of movies, yet I'd consider fewer than 10% of them "good". Very few sit with me for days after the theater. This world doesn't have enough film. I know my interests aren't being catered to.
  - nwienert 2y ago
    You're lucky, I find something like <2% enjoyable to actually give real attention to. For that reason I watch basically 0 TV or movies anymore. And feels like the less I watch, the less I can watch anything without immediately being annoyed at cheese, cheapness, and mostly just plain unrealistic characters or dialogue (which really and truly is 99% it seems like of shows). I need either high art or a slice of life. Ghibli or Satoshi Kon for anime, stuff like Kubrick in film, or Mad Men for TV. Mad Men especially was my turning point where after that show I couldn't stomach much else. Call me elitist. I watch lower quality YouTube stuff much more easily (at low attention), but once you're trying to sign me up for 30 minutes or more I just give up. Tried watching the 3 Body Problem on Netflix and in just the first scenes (cultural revolution + the scientists convo on God) were so full of cringe. I kept it on as background a bit but petered out after a few episodes.

napierzaza 2y ago

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