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Born in the great depression. little to no interest in education. Picks photography, gets a job as a photographer for a magazine. Starts a movie company at 21
by gofreddygo 3y ago
Born in the great depression. little to no interest in education.
Picks photography, gets a job as a photographer for a magazine.
Starts a movie company at 21 and makes shit movies.But importantly, develops a knack for persuading people to work for little or no money convincing them that the "experience" was was worth more than money
Young Kubrick is ruthlessness and ego centric, hard to like... mature Kubrik is intriguing and softer. Then he makes some great movies, gets a family going, has money and goes nuts.
This allows him to get obsessive, neurotic, totally fixated on his work, horrifyingly oblivious to the feelings of colleagues and employees driving some to breakdown. Outraged designers, writers all persuaded for the experience and the glory of the final result. All swearing never to work with him again.
persuading people to work for little or no money for the experience and the greatness of the purpose and the final result seems like the common pattern between Kubrik and others like Jobs.
- dgllghr 3y agoIt doesn't have to be like this though. Actors and others who work on sets with David Lynch always talk about how wonderful he is to work with and how well he treats everyone. And he is also a man with singularity of vision who does things his way.
- kman82 3y agoLynch is good. But comparing him to Kubrick is like chalk and cheese
- subsubzero 3y agoI like each in their own way, I may be more biased towards Kubrick as I consider the Shining one of my top 3 movies of all time. Lynch may be the ultimate auteur in making a certain type of movie or tv show that really no one else was making or thinking about(Blue Velvet, Mulholland dr. etc). Twin Peaks season 3 might be one of the best tv shows ever made(and also one of the weirdest) and its why I like David Lynch so much. Kubrick touched on that side a bit with 2001(my second favorite of his movies) but his style is much more traditional.
- jjulius 3y ago... the point isn't to compare their films, it's to compare the experience of working for each of them.
- Gunax 3y agoYes. But how much of their results is due to their attitude, versus just a coincidence? I like movies, but admittedly know nothing about making them. Big budget movies require hundreds of people with their own opinions working together to work towards a single vision. I don't find it impossible that demanding, narcissistic, and disagreeable people may have an advantage in that regard.
- toofy 3y agoand it’s equally as possible insufferable directors make it worse far more often than they make it better. there is no shortage of absolutely elite tier directors who exhibit exceptional abilities to work well with others. in fact. on the spectrum where most coworkers “would _love_ to work with them again” to “nope, not a chance they were awful humans” i’d make a confident bet there are far more elite tier who lean towards the former.
- hnbad 3y agoMaggie Mae Fish did a very interesting long form video on this exact comparison: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yr65ZIWoD6c https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yr65ZIWoD6c (Skip the first minute if you don't care for framing devices, it switches into a conventional video essay format for most of the video after that.)
- hammock 3y agoDavid Lynch's oeuvre, while unquestionably idiosyncratic, is also characterized and widely criticized for its obvious compromises. Kubrick puts the art above the artists, it's the only way
- Chabsff 3y agoIt's not, in fact, the only way. The alternatives are time and/or money. Not having access to the resources needed to accomplish something is not a license to resort to socially unacceptable means. Now, there's an argument to be made that actors who accepted to work under Kubrick knew (or at least ought to have known) what they were getting into, which blurs things a lot in this specific case. But "It's the only way" is going too far imo.
- geodel 3y ago> But "It's the only way" is going too far imo. Its going too far if industry is replete with Kubrick level work with above reproach behavior. Else I can just choose to not watch Kubrick films while stewing in my own moral superiority.
- seanc 3y agoDenis Villeneuve is another example of a universally loved director, and he is not often criticized for obvious compromises. Villeneuve's good friend Christopher Nolan presents as a bit more of a prickly pear, but he has a very long list of long-time collaborators on both sides of the camera so he's probably not that bad. In fact, more than a few of those behind-the-scenes folks collaborate with both Villeneuve and Nolan. It would be interesting to hear them compare an contrast.
- hammock 3y agoNot sure I'm following on Denis, his most loved movies are all remakes of singular masterpieces (Dune, Sicario, Blade Runner)
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- wil421 3y agoWho is David Lynch? I don’t have to ask myself the same question about Stanley Kubrick.
- soperj 3y agoThat says more about you than it does about David Lynch.
- jazzyjackson 3y agoI guess Lynch has his fans but I just looked up a list of his work and haven't seen any of it, to me he's the Transcendental Meditation guy who played a pretty funny role in Louis CK's TV show.
- bojan 3y agoLynch gave silent treatment to Patrick Stewart on the set of Dune, making him very aware that he didn't agree with him being cast. According to Patrick, that is part of the reason he's unhappy with the performance he delivered for that movie.
- eggdaft 3y agoPeople at Apple didn’t earn much money? Jonny Ive?
- wolverine876 3y ago> persuading people to work for little or no money for the experience and the greatness of the purpose and the final result seems like the common pattern between Kubrik and others like Jobs. Well if you don't have many resources, you need to persuade them somehow. Many people would pay to work with an all-time genius in their field. Wouldn't you? > (abusive stuff) There's no evidence or reason to think it's necessary. Power corrupts. Why look for rationalizations for assholes?
- paulryanrogers 3y agoPerhaps by sharing the fruits of the result, even if only afterwards?
- beachy 3y ago> persuading people to work for little or no money for the experience and the greatness of the purpose and the final result seems like the common pattern between Kubrik and others like Jobs. Peter Jackson got started the same way, making ultra low budget horror flicks like Bad Taste with friends and family as extras. Critically, like Kubrick and Jobs, those early attempts were actually good, good enough to kick start their respective careers.
- spacechild1 3y ago> those early attempts were actually good I loved "Brain Dead"! One of the most hilarious movies I've ever seen.
- talldatethrow 3y agoI consider myself fairly knowledgeable on early SV folklore, but I never heard that Jobs asked people to work for free or even at below market really. What have I missed?
- paulryanrogers 3y agoJobs conspired with Google to suppress wages of employees with no-poaching agreements. He even stole from his founding partner, and avoided paying child support.
- talldatethrow 3y agoAvoiding child support is a personal issue that can have many reasons. For all we know the woman swore she was on birth control, yet Jobs could have found out later from a mutual female friend that the woman secretly stopped taking it because she really wanted a child with a high networth individual. I personally know someone that this exact thing happened to. Is it wrong to withhold child support in that case? Probably still yes. But that's not exactly the same as just withholding child support because you don't think the woman you had a child with knowingly stopped loving you and wanted to go separate ways. If you got basically defrauded and forced into having a child because someone wanted monetary gain, you might have different opinions. And trying to stop skyrocketing salaries fueled by endless poaching is also bad, but trying to only pay your employees 3-10x the median local salary its not the same as trying to flat out not pay someone.
- CamperBob2 3y agohttps://www.ibtimes.co.uk/steve-wozniak-cried-jobs-kept-atari-bonus-267711 https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/steve-wozniak-cried-jobs-kept-atar...
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- aredox 3y agoShit movies? Even his very first ones are already good.